tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7657247769093761813.post2303041027656152851..comments2023-06-10T14:11:35.607+02:00Comments on White Refugees: Is Black on White Crime in South Africa racially motivated??Andrea Muhrrteynhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13455575591213217060noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7657247769093761813.post-79620535282508764212009-09-09T01:39:42.991+02:002009-09-09T01:39:42.991+02:00[4] You think blacks and coloureds need to be trea...[4] You think blacks and coloureds need to be treated with kids gloves... like they are some glorified special kind of idiots or noble savages.. I treat them like they are any other person.. They get no special treatment from me.. they get judged upon their character, and whether they walk their talk... I am not interested in creating some bullshit codependent relationships, just so i can feel good about myself being some white person who is poor kaffiertjies saviour... Kaffertjie wants me to treat him like he is a human being.. with critical thinking faculties etc.. so I do... He gets not special treatment.. that is the highest respect I give anyone and Everyone; to judge them on the quality of their character. If that is not good enough for him.. Tough fucking luck.. he can run to Andries and get Andries to be his big white papa... <br /><br />"Could you explain to me how an approach that suggests that the black people of South Africa are out to kill the white people, can help us solve our crime problem?"<br /><br />If it is the truth, which it is for a significant number of black criminals (not all blacks certainly)... then you can only really deal with any problem, once you are willing to confront it, in its starkest reality.<br /><br />'Truth and reconciliation' was a bullshit dog and pony show.. a lie, a fraud.. I wish I was wrong. I belived it like everyone else.. I was lucky to believe it so much I made such commitments to it, that, unlike those who did not.. they could go along with the illusions. My commitment was so great.. I was forced to confront reality. It wasn't pretty, but I did. <br /><br />The hypocrisy and lies.. that TRC deception created, is the puss in the crime and hate and racism problem that South Africa faces.. Where whites and blacks feel compelled to walk on egg shells and to be ultra politically correct.. and if you have a brutal honest conversation.. they all hate it. Those with the capability of honest self reflection, who are not too mind bezonked with holding hands and goombajaa crap. <br /><br />So, if you are serious about: "Could you explain to me how an approach that suggests that the black people of South Africa are out to kill the white people, can help us solve our crime problem?"<br /><br />Try this <a href="http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4TzWFmSUmx9ZTBlZDM0ZmQtYjRiOC00ODBhLWIzOTEtYjFjNzNjZTkzMDg3&hl=en" rel="nofollow">"Population Policy Common Sense Social Contract"</a> booklet.. and when you done.. let me kow what you think... ;-)<br /><br />LaraWhy We Are White Refugees...http://why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7657247769093761813.post-79812157976624457752009-09-09T01:39:01.615+02:002009-09-09T01:39:01.615+02:00[3] "Rather it is a matter of criminals attac...[3] "Rather it is a matter of criminals attacking citizens."<br /><br />As I said in my post... Andre, spend a year in a South African prison incognito and then come back and we can talk further..<br /><br />"Blacks form the majority of the population hence they form the majority of the criminal population."<br /><br />Who said anythign about the majority of criminal population... I was talking only about the criminal population whose crimes involved white victims... <br /><br />"If I as a white person were a victim of crime I would prefer to think of the other non-white SA crime victims as fighting on my side against the criminals."<br /><br />Good luck.... If or where I find such ones, I am happy to form a coalition with them... if their word is their word, and they pull their own weight, and they aren't two faced back stabbers. Same applies to whites.., or any colour.. <br /><br />My analysis only alienates individuals with fragile egos, who prefer walking on egg shells language, and can't handle a spade being called a spade... <br /><br />If they want to choose to be alienated by frank language, and opinions.. then that is THEIR CHOICE. they may be conscious they made the choice to feel insulted or they may project hteir reasons on others..Why We Are White Refugees...http://why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7657247769093761813.post-12698461606691284362009-09-09T01:38:02.270+02:002009-09-09T01:38:02.270+02:00[2] So, just depends on how serious you are about ...[2] So, just depends on how serious you are about your opinion, and what it is founded upon and such things..<br /><br />Again, your opinion that I overlook the reality that many black, indian etc people are also victims of crime... is an incorrect assumption. <br /><br />I am unclear what you are trying to say by "An over-simplified racial analysis does not help us to move forward in the fight against crime. It only serves to deepen the racial divide."<br /><br />What do you conclude is my 'oversimplifed analysis', and are you sure, you have not oversimplified your analysis, of what my analysis is?<br /><br />As for winning the war on crime.. dream on friend.. Crime is a direct and indirect result of overpopulation colliding with scarce and depleted resources; and your darling goverment is paying poor blacks to breed more poverty and more crime... so good luck with your illusions of winning hte war on crime.. until they give up breeding poverty and criminal resource war cannon fodder..<br /><br />You state, as if you know, or is it only your opinion, that "It is not a matter of blacks attacking whites."<br /><br />Put differenlty, to how many black criminals who attacked murdered, raped and/or robbed whites have you spoken to, or listened to, when they spoke frankly about their racial motivations? <br /><br />Or is this simply your fantasy non-racist opinion?Andrea Muhrrteynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455575591213217060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7657247769093761813.post-40393541938704259812009-09-09T01:36:09.461+02:002009-09-09T01:36:09.461+02:00[1] Okay... we agree, we have a serious crime issu...[1] Okay... we agree, we have a serious crime issue.<br /><br />We agree, the goverment is failing to protect its citizens against criminals.<br /><br />You further agree that many white people are victims of violent crimes, crimes that are often committed by blacks.<br /><br />You say 'often', I would say predominantly.<br /><br />Your perception that whites are the only victims of crime in RSA, is incorrect; we do not in the least deny that blacks are victims of crime, at all. See for example, <a href="http://why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/2009/09/04-06-11-essay-on-proudly-south-african.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/2009/09/entitlement-culture-of-corruption-vs.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.. [Unlike the many who deny the extent of crime committed against farmers, we do not deny that there is massive crime against blacks.] <br /><br />You disagree that there is an ethnic cleansing. Okay, you can disagree; I can agree to disagree. The question is how much do you disagree, just enough to sit around and chat on a blog, or enough to go out, into the criminal jsutice system, into the prison system, to see how it functions in the belly of the beast, to analyse it, from brutal reality experience. To listen and observe what goes on in South aFricas Universities of Crime Prisons...Why We Are White Refugees...http://why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7657247769093761813.post-37571926834392696942009-09-09T01:00:09.022+02:002009-09-09T01:00:09.022+02:00Dear WwAwR, I have approved your comment which is ...Dear WwAwR, I have approved your comment which is not really a comment but just a link to your blog containing some headlines.<br /><br />I am inviting you to write a comment here so we can engage in a debate about this important issue. I have read some of the posts on your blog and agree with you that we have a serious crime situation in South Africa. I agree that the government is failing to protect its citizens against criminals. I further agree that many white people are victims of violent crimes, crimes that are often committed by blacks.<br /><br />But here’s where I disagree: I disagree with the perception created on your blog that white people are the only victims of crime in this country. I disagree that there is a genocide, an ethnic cleansing, as alleged by the Boerevolk Organisation on your blog.<br /><br />You seem to overlook the reality that many black, indian and coloured people are also victims of crime. An over-simplified racial analysis does not help us to move forward in the fight against crime. It only serves to deepen the racial divide.<br /><br />Unless we get away from the racially defined “us” vs “them” thinking in South Africa, we will not win the war on crime. It is not a matter of blacks attacking whites. Rather it is a matter of criminals attacking citizens. Blacks form the majority of the population hence they form the majority of the criminal population.<br /><br />If I as a white person were a victim of crime I would prefer to think of the other non-white SA crime victims as fighting on my side against the criminals. Your analysis alienates non-white crime victims.<br /><br />Could you explain to me how an approach that suggests that the black people of South Africa are out to kill the white people, can help us solve our crime problem?nextchurchhttp://nextchurch.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/ice-cold-coke-in-a-shack/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7657247769093761813.post-57162557263795045642009-09-09T00:18:46.947+02:002009-09-09T00:18:46.947+02:00I received a "comment" on my blog, http:...I received a "comment" on my blog, http://nextchurch.wordpress.com, which was actually just a link to this blog. I am inviting the person who posted the link on my blog to come over and engage with me in a debate about this important issue.<br /><br />I started by saying: I have read some of the posts on your blog and agree with you that we have a serious crime situation in South Africa...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com