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The short version conclusion of the 'Kill Whitey' social science study (below) shows the different ethno-collateral-damage choices made between liberals and conservatives. If forced to approve of the collateral damage death of individuals, liberals preferentially endorse the collateral damage death of Whitey. Conservatives preferentially endorse the collateral death of non-whitey.
Short version of the 'African White Refugee' study (further below), asked over 100 of South Africa's Media, Political, Civil Society and Academics to choose between (a)Freedom-of-Speech for All (Constitutional Freedom of Speech); and (b) Freedom of Speech for Liberals (Mobjustice Freedom of Speech) and Political and Legal Persecution for African White Refugees. None chose Constitutional Freedom of Speech for All. A majority chose Mobjustice Freedom of Speech for Stalinist Liberals and Legal Persecution for African White Refugees.
The comments from the 140 SA 'Proudly Truth and Reconciliation' South African elite, remind me of Baruch Hirson's (Ed of Searchlight SA) efforts to inform the liberal elite about the torture, murder, gang-rape and execution atrocities committed by ANC's Mbokodo and Swapo Security Forces against ANC and Swapo members. In Women and Swapo: Institutionalized Rape in Swapo's Prisons, Paul Trewhela (Searchlight SA: Vol.3, No.3. Oct 1993) writes:Copies were sent to the Namibian Council of Churches, the World Council of Churches, the Lutheran World Federation, all Namibia support groups and the presidents of Cuba, Angola and Zambia. There was no reply.
... She went on to note that despite all this [rape, torture & executions in Swapo's prisons], support for Swapo from the churches and from the British Labour Party was unwavering. Glenys Kinnock (wife of the then leader of the Labour Party) and Lady Tessa Blackstone had visited Namibia and been told about these matters. They had said they would take the matter up with Swapo, 'but they did not meet any of the victims'. Mrs Endycott's article was reprinted by the Times of Namibia on 26 September 1989. Accompanied by an illustration of inmates in one of Swapo's dungeons drawn by a former prisoner, it appeared under the headline: 'Swapo's hellholes. Why is the left silent?' The question is still unanswered.
If African White Refugees, are wondering: Why is the Media, Political and Academic Left Silent about Farm Murders and African White Refugees? Stop and Think: If the Left consider Non-White lives as more important than White lives; and they have so little concern for Non-White ANC and Swapo lives being tortured, murdered and executed by their fellow Stalinist ANC and Swapo elite; what on earth makes you think they are going to care one iota about White Farmers being murdered and tortured and White Refugees being legally or politically persecuted by their Stalinist Progressive Elite Friends?
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Kill Whitey. It’s the Right Thing to Do.
By David Dobbs, Wired.com
September 15, 2010 | 4:51 pm
A couple years ago, David Pizarro, a young research psychologist at Cornell, brewed up a devious variation on the classic trolley problem. The trolley problem is that staple of moral psychology studies at dinner parties in which you ask someone to decide under what conditions it’s morally permissible to kill one person to save others. Here, via Wikipedia, is its most basic template:A trolley is running out of control down a track. In its path are 5 people who have been tied to the track by a mad philosopher. Fortunately, you can flip a switch, which will lead the trolley down a different track to safety. Unfortunately, there is a single person tied to that track. Should you flip the switch?
This has generated scores of studies that pose all kinds of variations. (You can take a version of the test yourself at Should You Kill the Fat Man?) Perhaps the richest has been the footbridge problem. The footbridge scenario puts the subject in a more active (hypothetical role): You’re on a footbridge over the trolley track, and next to you, leaning perilously over the rail to see what happens, stands a very large man — a man large enough, in fact, to stop the train. Is it moral to push the guy over the rail to stop the train?
Researchers generally use these scenarios to see whether people hold a) an absolutist or so-called “deontological” moral code or b) a utilitarian or “consequentialist” moral code. In an absolutist code, an act’s morality virtually never depends on context or secondary consequences. A utilitarian code allows that an act’s morality can depend on context and secondary consequences, such as whether taking one life can save two or three or a thousand. In most studies, people start out insisting they have absolute codes.
But when researchers tweak the settings, many people decide it’s relative after all: Say the man is known to be dying, or was contemplating jumping off the bridge anyway — and the passengers are all children — and for some people, that makes it different. Or the guy is a murderer and the passengers nuns. In other scenarios the man might be slipping, and will fall and die if you don’t grab him: Do you save him … even if it means all those kids will die? By tweaking these settings, researchers can squeeze an absolutist pretty hard, but they usually find a mix of absolutists and consequentialists.
As a grad student, Pizarro liked trolleyology. Yet it struck him that these studies, in their targeting of an absolutist versus consequentialist spectrum, seemed to assume that most people would hold firm to their particular spots on that spectrum — that individuals generally held a roughly consistent moral compass. The compass needle might wobble, but it would generally point in the same direction.
Pizarro wasn’t so sure. He suspected we might be more fickle. That perhaps we act first and scramble for morality afterward, or something along those lines, and that we choose our rule set according to how well it fits our desires.
To test this, he and some colleagues devised some mischievous variations on the footbridge problem. They detail these in a recent paper (pdf; web), and Pizarro recently described them more accessibly in at the recent Edge conference on morality. (The talk is on video, or you can download the audio.)
As Pizarro describes, the variations are all of a piece: All explore how the political and racial prejudices — and guilt — of both liberals and conservatives might affect where they stand on the absolutist-consequentialist spectrum.
Perhaps most revealing is what Pizarro calls the “Kill Whitey” study. This was a footbridge problem — two variations on a footbridge problem in one, actually — that the team presented to 238 California undergrads. The undergrads were of mixed race, ethnicity and political leanings. Before they faced the problem, 87 percent of them said they did not consider race or nationality a relevant factor in moral decisions. Here the paper’s (pdf) description of the problem they faced:Participants received one of two scenarios involving an individual who has to decide whether or not to throw a large man in the path of a trolley (described as large enough that he would stop the progress of the trolley) in order to prevent the trolley from killing 100 innocent individual strapped in a bus.
Half of the participants received a version of the scenario where the agent could choose to sacrifice an individual named “Tyrone Payton” to save 100 members of the New York Philharmonic, and the other half received a version where the agent could choose to sacrifice “Chip Ellsworth III” to save 100 members of the Harlem Jazz Orchestra. In both scenarios the individual decides to throw the person onto the trolley tracks.
Tyrone and Chip. Just in case you’re missing what Pizarro is up to:While we did not provide specific information about the race of the individuals in the scenario, we reasoned that Chip and Tyrone were stereotypically associated with White American and Black American individuals respectively, and that the New York Philharmonic would be assumed to be majority White, and the Harlem Jazz Orchestra would be assumed to be majority Black.
So the guy on the bridge kills either Tyrone to save the New York Philharmonic or Chip to save the Harlem Jazz Orchestra. How, Pizarro asked the students, did they feel about that? Was sacrificing Chip/Tyrone to save the Jazz Orchestra/Philharmonic justified? Was it moral? Was it sometimes necessary to allow the death of one innocent to save others? Should we ever violate core principles, regardless of outcome? Is it sometimes “necessary” to allow the death of a few to promote a greater good?
Turned out the racial identities did indeed, ah, color peoples’ judgments, but it colored them differently depending on their political bent. Pizarro, who describes himself as a person who “would probably be graded a liberal on tests,” roughly expected that liberals would be more consistent. Yet liberals proved just as prejudiced here as conservatives were, but in reverse: While self-described conservatives more readily accepted the sacrifice of Tyrone than they did killing Chip, the liberals were easier about seeing Chip sacrificed than Tyrone.
But this was just college students. Perhaps they were morally mushier than most people. So the team went further afield. As Pizarro describes in the talk:We wanted to find a sample of more sort of, you know, real people. So we went in Orange County out to a mall and we got people who are actually Republicans and actually Democrats, not wishy-washy college students. The effect just got stronger. (This time it was using a “lifeboat” dilemma where one person has to be thrown off the edge of a lifeboat in order to save everybody, again using the names “Tyrone Payton” or “Chip Ellsworth III”.) We replicated the finding, but this time it was even stronger.
If you’re wondering whether this is just because conservatives are racist—well, it may well be that conservatives are more racist. But it appears in these studies that the effect is driven [primarily] by liberals saying that they’re more likely to agree with pushing the white man and [more likely to] disagree with pushing the black man.
So we used to refer to this as the “kill whitey” study.
They offered some other scenarios too, about collateral damage in military situations, for instance, and found similar differences: Conservatives accepted collateral damage more easily if the dead were Iraqis than if they were Americans, while liberals accepted civilian deaths more readily if the dead were Americans rather than Iraqis.
What did this say about people’s morals? Not that they don’t have any. It suggests that they had more than one set of morals, one more consequentialist than another, and choose to fit the situation. Again, from the talk:It’s not that people have a natural bias toward deontology or a natural bias toward consequentialism. What appears to be happening here is that there’s a motivated endorsement of one or the other whenever it’s convenient.
Or as Pizarro told me on the phone, “The idea is not that people are or are not utilitarian; it’s that they will cite being utilitarian when it behooves them. People are aren’t using these principles and then applying them. They arrive at a judgment and seek a principle.”
So we’ll tell a child on one day, as Pizarro’s parents told him, that ends should never justify means, then explain the next day that while it was horrible to bomb Hiroshima, it was morally acceptable because it shortened the war. We act — and then cite whichever moral system fits best, the relative or the absolute.
Pizarro says this isn’t necessarily bad. It’s just different. It means we draw not so much on consistent moral principles as on a moral toolbox. And if these studies show we’re not entirely consistent, they also show we’re at least determined — really determined, perhaps, given the gyrations we go through to try to justify our actions — with behaving morally. We may choose from a toolbox — but the tools are clean. As Pizarro puts it at the end of his talk,I am still an optimist about rationality, and I cling to the one finding that I talked about, which is that when you point out people’s inconsistencies, they really are embarrassed.
Image: Flickr/Heath Brandon. David Dobbs writes articles and books, shares Google Reader items, occasionally visits Facebook, and spends too much time on Twitter. He’s currently in London working on a book about the epigenetic underpinnings of temperament.
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140 SA Elite Endorse Legal and Political Persecution of African White Refugee
Andrea Muhrrteyn,
Why We Are White Refugees
(Excerpts)
Dr. Brad Blanton – Radical Honesty author, ‘Dr. Truth’ psychologist and ‘Honesty in Politics’ Candidate for US Congress in 2004 and 2006 – stated under oath in an Expert Witness Affidavit, filed in the High Court Western Cape #19963-09; that:
- If South Africa does not value non-violent civil disobedience free speech dissent, as one of its hallmarks; then it is not a democratic country.
- Hon. Mrs. De Lille, and the NPA Senior Prosecutor conducted a political and legal prosecution and persecution campaign against the defendant.
- The law of crimen injuria is a law so ridiculous, it appears to date back to a belief in curses from witchdoctors. [Put differently, any society that values the principle of 'crimen injuria'; is one that values protecting the right of people with fragile ego's to not be offended as more important, than protecting the right of Galileo's and Voltaire's to offend.]
- The South African government are deliberately and intentionally punishing defendant for practicing her culture and religion of Radical Honesty: non-violently telling another the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth; with a commitment to remaining in the conversation until sincere forgiveness has occurred.
- The South African government are deliberately and intentionally denying defendant her right to a defence; and ignoring the justification and accuracy of her non-violent civil disobedience political necessity defence.
- That there is a significant difference between posed forgiveness and real forgiveness and that this difference is almost always avoided by politicians, including South Africa’s alleged Truth and Reconciliation politicians. Put differently: S. Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation was not real & sincere; but fake & posed; a political fraud committed against SA citizens.
The following individuals and organisations were requested to please clarify their and/or their Organisation’s official response to Dr. Blantons allegations:
Asch Conformity Experiment [1/2] Asch Conformity Experiment [2/2] |
**Sowetan Sun: Editor: Charles Mogale: 26 February 2010“I have taken the time to read Dr Blanton's offering and regret that I am not able to offer any opion on his views. I do not feel aptly qualified to proffer any opinion as, you will appreciate, ours is a tabloid publication which does not cover the subjects Dr Blanton raises.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544551/
Beeld: Editor: Tim du Plessis: 25 February 2010“Kindly be informed that I am not going to comment on the questions/issues raised in you letter. There will be no further correspondence or liaison in this matter.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544394/
3rd Degree: Exec. Producer: Deborah Patta: 03 March 2010“3rd degree is an investigative current affairs programme not a public elected body with a responsibility to comment on issues. All comment from e.news and current affairs falls under the head of news as pointed out in a previous e-mail.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544386/
Business Day: Editor: Peter Bruce, 23 February 2010:“I didn't read all of it, because it was so long and so demented. So, I don't have any reply or any comment. I don't want to have anything to do with it. Sorry”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544407/
Daily News: Editor: Alan Dunn: 25 February 2010“Mr Alan Dunn, Editor, Daily News, will not be commenting on Free Speech Legal Issue. Any response on the Huntley case will be in our editorial column.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544445/
Mail and Guardian: Editors: Keith Nichols & Mathew Burbidge: 22 February 2010Mr. Nichols stated that he had “No Comment” to the issues raised by American politician and author, Dr. Brad Blanton’s allegations of South African State’s Political and legal prosecution and persecution of non-violent civil disobedience Free Speech dissenter in South Africa.
Asked whether it would be fair to say whether Mr. Nichols choice not to make any comment on the issue, demonstrated that he did not care about the Free Speech issues raised, he said he was not going to comment.
Asked whether it would be fair to conclude that his statement of No Comment, reflected that he did not care about a South African citizen's being politically and legally prosecuted and persecuted. He again responded that he was not going to comment, with “I am not going to comment on that, okay,” and put down the phone.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544503/
Saturday Star: Editor: Brendan Seery: 26 February 2010“I would much prefer deliberate indifference.”
“Deliberate Indifference: Brendan Seery (Editor: Saturday Star) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Saturday Star is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544539/
702 Radio: Station Manager: Ms. Pheladi Gwangwa: 01 March 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Pheladi Gwangwa (Station Manager, Radio 702) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Radio 702 is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544516/
Die Burger: Editor: Henry Jeffereys: 27 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Henry Jeffreys (Editor, Die Burger) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Die Burger is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544461/
Cape Argus: Editor: Chris Witfield: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Chris Witfield (Editor, Cape Argus) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and your fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Cape Argus is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544413/
Cape Times: Editor: Alide Dasnois: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Alide Dasnois (Editor, Cape Times) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Cape Times is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544422/
The Citizen: Editor: Martin Williams: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Martin Williams (Editor, The Citizen) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and your fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, The Citizen is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544601/
Milgram's Obedience to Ideological Authority Experiment 2009 [1/3] Milgram's Obedience to Ideological Authority Experiment 2009 [2/3] Milgram's Obedience to Ideological Authority Experiment 2009 [3/3] |
City Press: Editor: Ferial Haffajee: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Ferial Haffajee (Editor, City Press) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, City Press is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544427/
Daily Maverick: Brkic Branco: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Brkic Branco (Editor, Daily Maverick) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Daily Maverick is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544437/
Daily Sun: Editor: Themba Khumalo: 02 March 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Themba Khumalo (Editor, Daily Sun) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Daily Sun is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544450/
Daily Dispatch: Editor: Andrew Trench: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Andrew Trench (Editor, Daily Dispatch) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Daily Dispatch is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544430/
E-News: Head of News: Patrick Conroy: 04 March 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Patrick Conroy (Head of E-News) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, E-News is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544472/
Financial Mail: Editor: Barney Mthombothi: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Barney Mthombothi (Editor, Financial Mail) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Financial Mail is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544478/
Finweek: Editor: Colleen Naude: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Colleen Naude (Editor, Finweek) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Finweek is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544485/
George Herald: Editor: Mandi Botha: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Mandi Botha (Editor, George Herald) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, George Herald is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544492/
The Herald: Editor: Jeremy McCabe: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Jeremy McCabe (Editor, The Herald) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, The Herald is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544587/
Independent on Saturday: Editor: Trevor Bruce: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Trevor Bruce (Editor, Independent on Saturday) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Independent on Saturday is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544498/
Pretoria News: Editor: Zingisa Mkhuma: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Zingisa Mkhuma (Editor, Pretoria News) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Pretoria News is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544509/
Rapport: Editor: Lisa Albrecht: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Lisa Albrecht (Editor, Rapport) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Rapport is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544530/
SA Press Association: Editor: Mark van der Velden: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Mark van der Velden (Editor, SA Press Association) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, SAPA is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544533/
Sowetan: Editor: Bongani Keswa: 03 March 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Bongani Keswa (Editor, Sowetan) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Sowetan is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544545/
Sunday Independent: Editor: Makhudi Sefara: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Makhudu Sefara (Editor, Sunday Independent) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Sunday Independent is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544559/
Sunday Times: Editor: Ray Hartley: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Ray Hartley (Editor, Sunday Times) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Sunday Times is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544571/
Sunday Tribune: Editor: Philani Mgwaba: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Philani Mgwaba (Editor, Sunday Tribune) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Sunday Tribune is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544577/
Volksblad: Editor: Ainsley Moos: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Ainsley Moos (Editor, Volksblad) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Volksblad is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54544375/
African Christian Democratic Party: Rev. Kenneth Meshoe: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Rev. Kenneth Meshoe (Leader, African Christian Democratic Party) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, ACDP is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702129/
African National Congress: Pres. Zuma & Sec. Gen. Mantashe:“Deliberate Indifference: President Zuma and Sec. General Mantashe, and the ANC are deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, the ANC are deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702155/
Congress of the People (COPE): Mr. Lekota & Shilowa: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Mr. Lekota and Shilowa (Leaders, Congress of the People) are deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, COPE is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702168/
Commission for the Promotion and Protection of the Rights of Cultural, Religious and Linguistic Communities: Rev. Wesley Mabuza: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Rev. Wesley Mabuza (Commission for the Promotion and Protectio of the Rights of Cultural, Religious and Linguistic Communities) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, the Commission is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702165/
DA: Helen Zille: 11 March 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Helen Zille (Leader, Democratic Alliance) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, the DA is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702183/
Freedom Front Plus: Dr. Pieter Mulder: 08 March 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Dr. Pieter Mulder (Leader, Freedom Front Plus) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Freedom Front Plus is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702189/
Inkatha Freedom Party: Chief Buthelezi: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Mangosuthu Buthulezi (Leader, Inkatha Freedom Party) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, IFP is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702212/
Public Protector: Adv. Thulisile Madonsela: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Adv. Thulisile Madonsela (Public Protector) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Public Protector is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702232/
United Democratic Movement: Bantu Holomisa: 11 March 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Bantu Holomisa (Leader, United Democratic Movement) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, UDM is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702121/
Afriforum: CEO’s: Kallie Kriel & Alana Bailey: 24 February 2010“AfriForum's policy is to submit our own comments. You thus do not have any mandate to submit any comment on our behalf. AfriForum is taking on the government of Zimbabwe in court tommorrow and launched a legal aid fund on Monday. We are using our full capacity to address these issues, thus the statement that we could not adhere to you request. I am dissapointed by the way you are trying to abuse our response re our busy schedule, to try and force us into a comment. I regard our correspondence with you as closed.” – Kallie Kriel
“Thank you very much for the email. Unfortunately we are extremely busy at the moment and will not be able to respond to this.” – Alana Bailey
[Response to questions requesting clarification of comment; has been ‘Deliberate Indifference’]
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702136/
Afrikanerbond: Exec. Dir.: Jan Bosman: 05 March 2010With reference to your letter of 20 February 2010 as well as several follow-up letters pertaining to the same matter. We do not have the means or the ability to answer on all the issues raised in your letter or to give counter arguments on the supporting documents provided. That said we will limit our response as follows.
Section 16 of the Constitution provides as follows: “(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, which includes (a) freedom of the press and other media; (b) freedom to receive or impart information or ideas; (c) freedom of artistic creativity; and (d) academic freedom and freedom of scientific research. (2) The right in subsection (1) does not extend to(a) propaganda for war; (b) incitement of imminent violence; or (c) advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender, or religion, and that constitutes incitement to cause harm.”
With the above in mind we are of the opinion that one must realise that freedom of speech includes the right to offend within reasonable limits and that when in doubt – rather not abuse or misuse freedom of speech.
In short: We support the adage “With great freedom comes great responsibility. In reviewing all the information available to us we cannot support your call for freedom of speech. Our contention is that your communication can border on hate speech with reference to the K** word as this word is offensive.
We are of the opinion that the tone of language used in your communication is insensitive, hurtful and harmful. We believe that there is an onus on all South Africans to refrain from making undesirable remarks which allude in a disparaging manner to race, gender and the like. In view of the spirit and intention as well as the constitutional imperative of nation building, we will not condone the use of any language which is undesirable.
[Response to questions requesting clarification of comment; has been ‘Deliberate Indifference’]
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702146/
F.W. de Klerk Foundation & Center for Constitutional Rights: Adv. N. de Havilland: 05 March 2010
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“The goals of the Centre for Constitutional Rights (the Centre) are to promote the values, rights and principles in the Constitution; to monitor developments, including draft legislation that might affect the Constitution; to inform people and organisations of their constitutional rights; and to assist people and organisations to claim their rights. The Centre is a unit of the F W de Klerk Foundation, which is a registered non-profit organisation.
South Africa is a constitutional democracy which observes and protects the full spectrum of human rights, including the rights to freedom of expression and dissent. Its record, in this regard, is recognized nationally and internationally, inter alia by the respected human rights organization Freedom House in New York.
We support both Ms de Lille’s right not to be harassed and not have her dignity impaired and Dr Blanton’s right to freedom of expression, provided that it does not amount to propaganda for war, incitement of imminent violence, or advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion, and that constitutes incitement to cause harm.
We do not agree with the original decision of the Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board to grant Mr Brandon Huntley refugee status on the grounds that he “was a victim [of persecution] because of his race rather than a victim of criminality, who presented clear & convincing proof of state & security forces’ inability or unwillingness to protect him.” Neither do we agree with the views expressed in the affidavit by Dr Brad Blanton Ph.D that is quoted in your letter.
Accordingly, we regret that we cannot assist you with this matter.”
[Response to questions requesting clarification of comment; has been ‘Deliberate Indifference’]
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702179/
Nelson Mandela Foundation: Chairperson of the Board: Prof. Jakes Gerwel; CEO: Mr. Achmat Dangor; Spokesperson, Ms. Zelda Le Grange: 28 February 2010“Having consulted our principals, we do not believe we should comment on your initiative. We do want to state that we do not believe in the concept of White refugees.”
[Response to questions requesting clarification of comment; has been ‘Deliberate Indifference’]
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702227/
SA Inst. of Race Relations: Mr. John Kane-Berman & Mr. Franz Cronje: 24 February 2010“We are not in a position to comment on your letters.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702238/
Black Sash: National Director: Marcella Naidoo: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Marcella Naidoo (National Director, Black Sash) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Black Sash is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702159/
Ctr Study of Violence & Reconciliation (CSVR): Ex. Dir. Adele Kirsten: 01 March 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Adele Kirsten (Exec. Dir., Center for the Study of Violence and Reconciliation) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, CSVR is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702174/
Freedom of Expression Institute: Exec. Dir. Melissa Moore: 11 March 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Melissa Moore and the Freedom of Expression Institute (FXI) are deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, the FXI are deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702197/
Human Science Research Council: CEO: Dr. Olive Shisana: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Dr. Olive Shisana (CEO, Human Science Research Council) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, HSRC is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702206/
Inst. for Global Dialogue: Exec. Dir.: Dr. Garth Le Pere: 27 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Dr. Garth Le Pere (Exec. Dir., Inst. for Global Dialogue) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, Inst. for Global Dialogue is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702221/
SANGONET: Exec. Dir.: Dave Barnard: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: David Barnard (Exec. Dir., SA NGO Network) is deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, SANGONET is deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702244/
UCT: Social Justice Coalition & TAC: Gavin Silber & Nathan Geffen: 26 February 2010“Deliberate Indifference: Nathan Geffen & Gavin Silber (UCT Social Justice Coalition & TAC) are deliberately indifferent to certain people of certain ethnicities and/or ideologies and/or cultures and/or religions being politically and legally persecuted and prosecuted; and you fit one or more of those particular ethnic, ideological, cultural or religious categories, towards whom, we are deliberately indifferent.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702249/
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