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‘You DUMB FUCK, let me explain to your stupid, uneducated, undereducated, and arrogant self. If you believe that RACE is a defining characteristic in term of human value, YOU ARE A RACIST. Can you be more stupid?’ - Adv. JP van der Veen

“I am not a liberal, I am not a racist. I am deeply disturbed by the rise of anti-intellectual garbage on the net. So, Madam. whilst I think your beliefs simply beyond belief, I do not support hate speech regulation, and I would be happy to die for your right to have your beliefs.” - Adv. van der Veen

25 February 2011
Andrea Muhrrteyn
Why We Are White Refugees

In Rainbow Hypocrisy SA
To be, or not to be; a Racist
is no different than
In Anti-Apartheid Struggle SA
To be, or not to be; a Witch

A legal definition of 'racist'
is as irrelevant, as
a legal definition of 'witch'

For legal definitions require factual evidence
to prove guilt or innocence
for 'racism' or 'witchcraft'

And innocence is problematic
for the practitioners of
ANC Occult Struggle Witchhunt Politics

In a recent Google search, I came across a blog called the Troublemaker Times, written by “a lawyer, a dreamer, a writer, an atheist” JP aka The Troublemaker Times “(educated, part time faggot, jew wanna be, kaffir lover, friend to niggers and white as the driven snow).”

The most popular post on his blog is, a criticism of (in my interpretation) insincere liberals, in A Tribute to Winnie Mandela or Welcome Back to our Politics, we missed you Mamma Afrika, wherein he concludes his appreciation of Winnie with “welcome back Mamma Africa, we missed you. Thank you, for liberating us, with just a box of matches!” (Note: I differentiate between sincere and insincere liberals and conservatives. I have no problem with sincere liberals or conservatives, i.e. those who sincerely hold their beliefs, based upon the information available to them, who are willing to hear contradictory information, and if the contradictory evidence is of sufficient weight to change their minds/beliefs. I have little time for insincere (fake) fundamentalist dogmatic liberals or conservatives.)

Adv. JP seems to think that in this wonderful new 'democracy' brought to us by Mama Afrika's Anti-Apartheid Movement (sic), also known as the KGB's foremost Stalinist Front; the Supreme Court of Appeal is committed to Descartian Rule of Law principles of Evidence. For an Advocate, he is blisfully in denial about an entire Justice System, where political cases are given KANGAROO COURT RUBBER STAMPS, where Descartian Rule of Law EVIDENCE IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

Anyway, so on 09 April 2009, JP wrote a post: An open letter to my black president, from a long time white supporter or could you possibly fire Mike Sutcliffe.

JP is a friend of Jacob Zuma's son, Duduzane. JP was very involved in Zuma's election efforts, and one of Zuma's aide's had informed him that “its good to have a white boy like you here, very good, but don’t be mistaken, you are far from the only one....... While white people are very important, particularly as a stabilizing force in our country, they have become, other than that, in political terms, largely irrelevant.”

JP wanted Zuma to change the ANC's decision to deny white South Africans their historical South African history, which the ANC seem hell bent on eradicating as if it never existed.

Doberman, from I Luv SA; but I Hate My Goverment, wrote a response thereto (since deleted); wherein he described JP's letter to Zuma as “the pitiful level some whites have reached… pass me a bucket.” Doberman described JP's letter to Zuma as “Sir, sir, sir all the time. Sheesh, why not just say “Baas” My Kroon Zuma, My big navigator, I am begging for scraps, ‘semblief my baas… Se moer! That is why I left Azania, I REFUSE to go on my knees.”

JP took serious offense, and responded with: Klu Klux Klanning Around – The South African Franchise or Have you Met the Idiots at I luv SA, but I hate my Government.

I read JP's Klu Klux Klanning article, and sent him my perspective feedback. The following is the verbatim text of our correspondence:

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Why We Are White Refugees wrote:

I was rather amazed to read your interpretation of ILuvSA. I can see how someone with extremely liberal views would perhaps find their views 'racist' (although I have yet to find any liberal who defines for me their defintion of racist); but my intepretation of your response was that you were extremely emotionally over-reactive.

I found it hard to balance the information that you were a lawyer, most of whom generally pride themselves on their non-emotional impartial enquiry into any subject matter; and your highly emotional exaggerated (KKK, etc) reactionary? response.

So, I was curious; how do you define 'racist'?

According to the 'racist' definition of dr. gedaliah braun, it would appear that you are more 'racist' than the members of SA Sucks, due to the fact that they are more open-minded to hearing evidence which contradicts their conclusions; and if such evidence is of a sufficient weight to change their mind. you on the other hand, are not remotely interested in making any impartial enquiry into the evidence they present; and rather remain very attached to your beliefs as being 'true'. That would be according to Dr. Braun's definition of 'racist'.

So, as I said, would you mind sharing with me your definition of racist; so that I can better understand why you have such a huge amount of hate for these guys perspective?

From: JP Vanderveen; Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 2:38 AM

Look, idiot, your Dr Braun is not the deciding factor in the definition of race.

Try the Oxford dictionary. I am not interested in debating with you. I am not a liberal either.

You DUMB FUCK, let me explain to your stupid, uneducated, undereducated, and arrogant self.

If you believe that RACE is a defining characteristic in term of human value, YOU ARE A RACIST.

Can you be more stupid ?

From: JP Vanderveen; Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 2:41 AM

Ps I have blocked your emails so don't bother.

Try getting an education.

It will help you

From: JP Vanderveen; Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:02 AM

Also, I am sorry that you question my credentials as a lawyer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1199016/

From: JP Vanderveen; Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:07 PM

Dear madam

It occurs to me that my response to you was somewhat rude. I apologise for that, it was late, I was drunk.

My dealings with the criminals at I love Sa has somewhat irritated me.

I do not wish to engage on this issue. I am not a liberal, I am not a racist. I am deeply disturbed by the rise of anti-intellectual garbage on the net. So, Madam. whilst I think your beliefs simply beyond belief, I do not support hate speech regulation, and I would be happy to die for your right to have your beliefs.

Just one thing, although the anonymity of the internet allows for the proliferation of ideas, it seldom requires critical thought. If you want to be a racist, fine. Just have the balls to admit it.

So to answer your question:

racism

Pronunciation:/ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/
noun [mass noun]

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race , especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

So then juxtapose this with your Dr Braun (who seems to be the lost love child between Hitler and Eva Braun ... joking.) who says:

“(1) Blacks cannot manage a modern industrial democratic society; (2) blacks know this and would never think of denying it were it not for white liberals insisting otherwise; (3) except for those black elites who hope to take power, black rule is in no one’s interest, especially not blacks; (4) blacks know this better than anyone and are terrified of black rule.”

ERGO

Dr Braun is a racist.

Now, I realise that you always use the term racism in parentheses however I understand this to be an attempt at some form of Lacanean or Derridian textual analysis. Its incorrect in the form that you suggest. Racism in the present context is not subject to personal interpretation. One you start that, you sound like those people who reinvent the meaning of truth and talk of your truth or my truth.

I can't stand liberals either. But the failure of liberal dialectical discourse does not bouy nor support your oversimplification of issues. I identify with the substantive nature of your fears and the terrible situation in the country, I concur with you. We have become ruled by criminals. However your contention of race as definitive is as bad as it was in the 19th century.

The real problems are much more complex.

Ps. A reactionary is an ultra conservative. In fact it is rarely used outside of the context of a person who opposes a progressive idea. So you see, liberals are not reactionary.

In absolute correctness, historically a reactionary is a person who opposes social revolution. Its what Castro calls Anne Coulter.

KInd Regard

Advocate JP Vanderveen
Chambers
Durban

From: Lara Johnstone; Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:09 PM

Mr. van der Veen,

Apology accepted.

I am unsure how you can conclude that your interpretation of what I said is correct? Does it matter what I meant; or only what you decide I meant, even if your decision is incorrect? How do you know your interpretation is correct; without asking any questions?

Here is Dr. Brauns definition of racism:

As for the rest of your email; I shall re-read, and digest, before responding further.

Lara

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WHAT IS RACISM? OR, HOW PHILOSOPHY CAN BE ‘PRACTICAL’

Outline of Principal Theses

Determining the nature of racism is a philosophical issue. Nevertheless, it is of great practical importance and I would argue that many of the West’s racial problems arise from a mistake thereof.

To be accused of racism is to be condemned. But (I claim) no fact or idea can itself be racist. Therefore the idea of racial differences is neither racist nor bad and hence is insulting to no one.

At present all political discussion in the West is based on the assumption that the idea of such differences is racist – a philosophical error with fateful consequences. If there are such differences and they are not racist, then they should be taken into account in policy-making; but if they are wrongly assumed to be racist and hence swept under the carpet, any policies based on such willful ignorance are doomed to failure.

What Racism Is Not

The question What is racism? is philosophical, not sociological, anthropological or linguistic. It is nevertheless a question of enormous practical importance, and I will argue that most of the racial problems facing South Africa and the West arise because of certain false assumptions in this regard.

While agreeing that racism is bad, we must ask just what this means. An earthquake which kills thousands of people that is bad, but it’s not morally bad. We don’t, e.g., condemn it, for the simple reason that it is inanimate and hence doesn’t do things. Earthquakes simply happen; there is no question of moral blame because there is nothing and no one to blame.

Moral vs. Nonmoral Badness

But while being animate may be a requirement for moral blame, it is not sufficient. We don’t condemn a marauding lion or an infant for dropping your cell phone into the bath, for though both are animate, they are not responsible for their actions; and it is only responsible human behaviour that can be condemned or blamed and which is wicked or sinful.

Hence we can distinguish moral from nonmoral badness. The former concerns human beings and their behaviour; this is the sphere of right and wrong. Nonmoral badness concerns things which are unfortunate but which involve no (responsible) human behaviour and for which there is therefore nothing and no one to blame. The chemical accident at Bhopal (in India) in which thousands died was horrible and if someone was responsible for it they should be punished. But if it simply happened, then, though no less lamentable, there would be no moral evil and nothing deserving of condemnation.


What Kinds of Things Can Be Racist?

It is clear that when we say racism is bad we mean morally bad, for to call someone a racist is to condemn him. But what sorts of things, besides a person and his behaviour, can be racist?

Suppose someone says blacks are not good at mathematics – not that no blacks are, but that on average, fewer are. Is saying and believing such a thing racist? It is crucial to realize that, practically speaking, what we are asking here is whether this is morally bad; because to say it is racist is to say that it is bad. And in essence that is what the argument over racism is all about: whether saying, doing, thinking or feeling certain things are bad and hence should be condemned, prohibited or even penalized.


A Philosophical Touchstone

At present it is widely assumed that such ideas – that blacks are poor at math or that they have a higher crime rate, etc. – are racist, and while I do not wish to deny that genuine racism deserves condemnation, I most emphatically question whether certain things assumed to be racist really are. In fact, the badness of racism can serve as a philosophical touchstone. For any ‘theory’ of what racism is – as expressed by saying that this or that belief, attitude or action is racist – we can apply this simple test: Is this thought, attitude or action bad? If, on reflection, we conclude that it’s not, we may conclude that it is not racist and hence that this theory of racism is incorrect.

Can an Idea Be Racist?

We can begin by asking whether an idea can be racist? For our purposes, an idea is like a thought, which is closely related to a proposition. When we make an assertion we are always asserting something to be so – to be the case. That which we are asserting to be the case is a proposition. (For present purposes ‘statement’, ‘assertion’ and ‘proposition’ are more or less the same.)

Propositions and Facts

Thus, if I say (1) ‘Pretoria is the administrative capital of South Africa’, I have asserted a proposition. That proposition happens to be true, but propositions can just as easily be false as true. Thus, (2) ‘Cape Town is the administrative capital’ is false. The assertion that (3) ‘Cape Town is the legislative capital’ is true, but saying that it is the administrative capital is false, just as (1) is true but (4) – that Pretoria is the legislative capital – would be false.

Hence, while a proposition can be either true or false, it remains the same proposition whichever it is. Thus, (3) ‘Cape Town is the legislative capital’, is true; but if it were to become false (if they relocate parliament), it would be the same proposition it is now but would simply be false instead of true.

What makes one proposition true and another false? Why is (3) [that Cape Town is the legislative capital] true but (2) [that it is the administrative capital] false? Obviously, because it is a fact that Cape Town is the legislative capital while it is not a fact that it is the administrative capital. Facts, therefore, are what make propositions true (or false). All propositions assert some fact or other to be the case; when that fact is the case, the proposition is true; when it is not, the proposition is false.

Thus, it is a fact that Cape Town is the legislative capital and hence the proposition which asserts this – (3) – is true; while it is not a fact that it is the administrative capital and hence the proposition which asserts it is – (2) – is false.

Propositions Are ‘Pictures’ of Facts

Propositions are therefore intimately connected with facts: a proposition is like a ‘picture’ of a fact. Just as you can have a picture of something that does not exist (e.g., of the fictional character Superman), and just as the picture is a perfectly bona-fide picture and will remain the same picture whether Superman exists or not, so a proposition ‘pictures’ a fact. It as¬serts a certain fact to be the case but is quite independent of whether or not that fact is the case (and hence of whether or not the proposition is true); and just as the picture of Superman remains the same picture whether Superman exists or not, so a proposition remains the same proposition whether or not there is a fact to make it true.

Can a Fact Be Racist?

And now let us ask whether a fact can be racist. The answer is clearly ‘No’; indeed, the very idea is absurd. When we say that racism is bad we mean it is morally bad and deserving of condemnation. But a fact cannot be deserving of condemnation since it is inanimate and hence is not the sort of thing which can be blamed. A fact is not responsible for being a fact, nor is it deliberately or knowingly a fact; it just is a fact, and it would be ridiculous, e.g., to say, ‘Shame on you – you are a bad fact!’.

But since to call something racist is to criticize it, it makes no sense to call a fact racist, since it makes no sense to criticize a fact. A fact may be nonmorally bad – i.e., something which it would have been better had it not been the case – but it cannot be wicked.

If a fact cannot be wicked, what about a proposition? Again the answer is clear: if a fact cannot be morally bad, neither can a possible fact (which is essentially what a proposition is), if for no other reason than that it is in-animate and hence not subject to (moral) blame or criticism. And if it can’t be sinful or wicked neither can it be racist.

Hence we may conclude that neither the idea, thought or proposition that there are racial differences can be racist, since no thought or proposition can itself be morally bad – and if it can’t be morally bad it can’t be racist. Thus, neither the possible fact nor the actual fact of such differences can be racist, since facts, actual or possible, are not and cannot by themselves be morally bad, sinful or wicked. (See also here.)

Conventional Wisdom Embodies Philosophical Error

But if there are important group differences which are not ‘allowed’ to exist, then any decisions based on such willful ignorance are doomed to failure. Yet this Accepted Wisdom and the de facto policy resulting from it rests on a philosophical mistake, viz., the unchallenged and unexamined assumption that certain ideas are racist and hence morally abhorrent and hence ‘beyond the pale’. This dogma has far-reaching ramifications. As Stephen Carter says, ‘Silencing debate solves no problems; it only limits possible solutions’. Hence my claim that a philosophical question, concerning the nature of racism, has practical import.

What Racism Is

If the very idea of racial differences is not racist, what is? We have said there are racist beliefs, statements, behaviour, attitudes and individuals. But is it, e.g., bad to believe that whites are smarter – or more honest and reliable – than blacks? For if the idea of such differences is not morally bad, how can it be bad simply to believe they exist?

Two Senses of Belief

We can distinguish two senses of belief. If I say ‘Your belief that witchcraft was the cause of Kokomo’s losing the race is false’, I am talking about the proposition which you believe (that witchcraft was the cause of his losing) and I am saying that it’s false. In a sense this has nothing to do with you, but only with the content of your belief, i.e., with the proposition which you believe. Call this the propositional sense of belief.

But suppose I say ‘Your belief that witchcraft was the cause of Kokomo’s losing the race is foolish’. Can a proposition be foolish? A person can be foolish, for believing something, but a proposition itself cannot be. (We may say a proposition is foolish, but that simply means it is a proposition it would be foolish to believe.) So when I call your belief foolish, what I am calling foolish is not the proposition you believe, but you, for believing it; for while we cannot criticize a proposition, we can criticize someone for believing it. Let us call the act (or state) of believing – as opposed to what is believed – the psychological sense of belief.

Which Kind of Belief Can Be Racist?

Which sense are we talking about when we say that a belief is racist? In the propositional sense, a belief is simply the proposition which is believed, and we have already said that a proposition cannot be racist; so belief in this sense cannot be racist. How about in the psychological sense? Can a person be criticized for believing something, i.e., for how or why he believes it? Certainly, for we are responsible for our beliefs.

Would it be racist, then, to say ‘Blacks are more often thieves than whites’? If we say yes, we must be saying that it is the proposition itself which is racist; for that’s all we know about: we don’t know who said it or how or why. Therefore, if we say this statement (or belief) is racist it can only be because of its content. But we al-ready know that a proposition, by itself, cannot be racist, because to say it is racist means it is morally bad and it makes no sense to say this of a proposition.


A Belief Can Be Racist Only Because Of the Manner In Which It Is Held

So can we say that ‘Blacks are more often thieves’ is racist? In fact, we cannot – at least not just like that. It will depend on how it is believed. But if it is racist, what will be racist will not be the proposition itself but rather the manner in which it is believed. For that is something for which we are responsible, for which we can be criticized, which can be bad, and hence which can be racist.

And when will such a belief be racist? First, it must attribute some ‘negative’ trait – such as dishonesty or lesser intelligence – to some racial group. We might think, however, that such a belief will be racist only if it is not true.

Suppose someone grows up in a place where many blacks are thieves and where whites are constantly bad-mouthing blacks. He is likely to end up thinking blacks are just thieves; and yet suppose (for the sake of argument) that in fact the only reason blacks steal is poverty. He would be believing that blacks are, by nature, thieves and his belief would be false. Would it not therefore be racist?


If a Belief Is Honest It Cannot Be Bad and If It Is Not Bad It Cannot Be Racist

The answer is ‘No’; for although this is a ‘bad’ belief about another race that is false, it is – from his point of view – based on evidence (what he sees and what people say). Given this background, it is perfectly reasonable – and honest – for him to believe what he does. But if his belief is honest, it cannot be morally bad and hence cannot be racist. So being false doesn’t make such a negative belief racist; what matters, again, is the manner in which it is held.

But neither does being true preclude racism. Let us assume (again for the sake of argument) that blacks are by nature more likely to be thieves than whites and that Jones believes this to be so. But suppose he believes this because he was once mugged by a black man and ever since then simply thinks blacks are thieves.

In fact this is not such a simple case. What determines whether a belief is racist is not its truth or falsity but how it is held. One relevant factor is evidence – though note that a person may have good evidence for his belief even though it is false, and conversely, have poor evidence though, by accident, it is true.

Thus: you ask for the time, I look at my watch which says 5 o’clock and I say ‘It’s 5 o’clock’. Unknown to me, however, my watch stopped an hour ago and it really is 6 o’clock. I had good evidence for saying what I did and yet my statement was false.

Conversely, you ask for the time, and (again) my watch, unknown to me, has stopped, so though it says 5 o’clock it really is 6 o’clock; but this time, taking a quick glance, I misread it as saying 6 o’clock and say to you ‘It’s 6 o’clock’. In this case, my evidence is poor and yet my statement happens, by accident, to be true.

Being mugged by a black man is obviously not a good reason for thinking that blacks are thieves, and if some-one believes such a thing based on this evidence it would be a negative belief about blacks and based on insufficient evidence. Surely that makes it racist.

Hold your horses. If, through dim-wittedness, one honestly believes that this one incident is sufficient grounds for his belief, then though we might think him stupid, we could not label his belief racist. Racism is morally bad and deserving of condemnation; if his belief is honest, though foolish, he cannot be morally condemned for it. Such mental sloppiness, though lamentable, is not morally wicked.

So this in fact is not the case we were looking for: a negative belief about another race which was racist in spite of being true – for though true, it is not clearly racist. What then would an example?

Suppose someone believes that blacks are thieves – and let us again assume for the sake of argument that this is true – though in his case he has never had a bad experience with blacks; rather, he simply has an ingrained animus against them. When confronted with evidence to the contrary he refuses to consider it (‘I’m not interested in that communist propaganda!’). Such a belief would clearly be racist even if it were true, showing that truth no more precludes racism than being false is a requirement. What matters, again, is not what is believed, nor its truth or falsity, but how it is believed.

The difference between the once-mugged person and the genuine racist can be illustrated by considering their reaction to contrary evidence. Suppose we explain to the former why his evidence is insufficient and he says, ‘Yes, I see what you’re getting at; my reasons were not very good and I was wrong to say that’. This would show that his belief had not in fact been racist but merely foolish. Whereas in the second example, his dismissing your argument as communist propaganda is a good indication that his belief was racist.


Why Neither Truth Nor Falsity Determines Whether a Belief Is Racist

In fact, given our previous discussion, we can show both that and why truth or falsity is irrelevant in deciding whether a belief is racist. Truth and falsity are properties of propositions, not of people; whereas racism, as a moral concept, is ultimately only attributable to people, and not at all to propositions. So when we speak of a belief as being true or false, we can only be referring to the proposition believed; whereas when we say that a belief is racist, we can only be talking about the person who is believing it. Hence, truth and falsity have to do with things – viz., propositions – entirely other than what racism has to do with – viz., people and their actions and beliefs. And so truth and falsity can have nothing directly to do with whether a belief is racist. Of course if the belief is not only false but is known to be false, that’s a different matter, to which we may now turn.


The Essence of Racism Is Self-Deceit

Believing What You Know Isn’t True

The belief of the once-mugged person would be racist if he knew it was not true and yet went right on believing it. But is it possible to believe what you know isn’t true? Well, it is possible if self-deception is possible; self-deception is not only possible; it is actual; ergo, believing what you know isn’t true is possible. What we are talking about is simply dishonest belief, what the existentialist philosopher Jean Paul Sartre called bad faith (“mauvaise foi”), and it is precisely this dishonesty with oneself that makes genuine racism and prejudice so execrable. This makes perfect sense, since self-deceit – believing what you know isn’t true – is something for which we are responsible and something which is morally blameworthy.

And it is this inner dishonesty, typified by avoidance of evidence that might prove one’s beliefs false, that makes racism so contemptible.


While Content Never Makes Belief Racist It Can Be Good Indication Of It

One final point. I have said that the content of a belief by itself never makes it racist. But how about believing not just that blacks are more often thieves but that they’re all thieves? Or that all Jews are liars and that not a single one can be trusted? Or that no blacks are capable of any intellectual achievement? (Thabo got a PhD in mathematics from Harvard? He obviously cheated!) Certainly we can say that such beliefs are racist without knowing anything more.

True enough, but that does not refute my thesis. Such beliefs would correctly be deemed racist because their content is so implausible that the person has to know that they’re not true, and if he nevertheless insists on believing it, he must be doing so in the knowledge that it is a false. To have such a belief is racist and reprehensible; and what makes it so is at least partly this inner dishonesty: saying – and believing – what you know is not true.

Hence, it remains true that beliefs are not racist merely because of their content, but rather because of the manner in which they are held. What is true is that content is often a good indication of this – and thereby of whether they are racist.

(This appendix is an edited version of a talk given in June 1988 to philosophy students at the [then-named] University of the Orange Free State, in Bloemfontein, South Africa.)

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From: JP Vanderveen; Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:01 AM

Dear Madam

It is not important. I don't have the time to engage this issue with you, however with regard to meaning perhaps you should consider some real philosophers, like Wittgenstein (use) or Foucault (power) or Derrida(spaces) For its worth, you will never have credibility until you deal with the masters. You tread around Lacan, but I doubt you have read him.

There are no new thoughts, all the questions you ask have been asked, and dealt with. The only difference is that you do not seem to know this, never the less, it is true. I think that David Humes distictions between knowledge and belief in his Treatise of Pure Reason would be a good place to start.

So when you can answer why Hitler was obsessed with ubermench, and why Nietzche was his lynchpin and why power subversts and inverts, perhaps you should acknowledge that the debate is old, and in the minds of most who have studied it, over.

Dr Braun is widely regarded as a crackpot.

There won't be any further communication from me.

Good Bye

JP

From: JP Vanderveen; Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:05 AM

Lastly... DR Braun does not define racism anywhere. What you call his definition is a polemic on the nature of racism as a moral subtext.

Who cares.

I don't think racism is bad.

I think its stupid.

JP

From: JP Vanderveen; Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:13 AM

To explain :

Who cares about your definitions, or the Oxford dictionary. The semantic debate is old.

Let me put it this way, I don't think that black people are any different to white people, in the same way I don't believe that gays are different from straights, or gingers from blonds or jews from arabs or rotweillers from dobermanns.

On a substantive level its all just noise.

I prefer blonds to gingers, but thats just me. I don't like women, but thats just me. I hate cats, but that doesn't make them any worse than fish.

Etc etc etc.

You must understand, I don't care really, it just bothers me that people think they have grounds to invent this stuff.

I would rather live in SA today than the old apartheid state.

Thats just me.

I think your site is ignorant and stupid.

You would not care for my degrees nor my opinion.

So lets just part ways.

Have fun

JP

From: Lara Johnstone; Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:15 AM

Adv. van der Veen,

CC: Dr. Gedaliah Braun

Not a problem. You are more than entitled to your beliefs; including the beliefs you have about my beliefs; none of which you bothered to confirm in fact are my beliefs; but which in all your arrogance you believe are true.

I don't make judgements about another individual person, until I have bothered to get to know them, and to try to understand their opinion, and to listen to them, and to hear their side of the story.

Its clear you are not interested in a conversation; nor are you willing to consider anyone else's opinion, or facts; you think you know everything, including what other people think, and believe. If you were honest, you'd probably say you are God reincarnated, and whats more, you don't give a shit about anything, including meaning.

You talk about credibility. Why would I want credibility from people who have no honour, such as yourself?

My apologies for providing you feedback; its clear it is not welcome. YOU KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW; AND YOU AIN'T INTERESTED IN HEARING ANY
FACTS OR ARGUMENTS WHICH CONTRADICT YOUR UBERMENSCH BELIEFS ABOUT YOURSELF.

In my honourable opinion; Dr. Gedaliah Braun has far more credibility than you can even dream of exists. He is a scientific scholar in the true sense of the word; as Donald Rumsfeld would say, he knows that there are many unknown unknowns, and on issues of race and psychological differences of races; he is searching for those truths. From me, he gets a salute!

Kind regards,

Just another Untermensch 'racist' despised by Ubermensch Adv. Eric Jean Pierre van Der Veen

PS: When it comes to judging people guilty of 'racism'; without making any impartial enquiry into their beliefs, the facts their beliefs are founded upon, and how they cognitively hold such beliefs; YOU ARE INDEED WAY WAY SUPERIOR TO ME. You don't bother with such enquiries; I do, as a matter of honour and integrity.

PPS: I am a member of the Radical Honesty culture and religion (PDF attached); among others we practice transparency, as a matter of honour.

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