Does the use of the word “Kaffir” damage the white refugee mission?
Is saying “Kaffir” something that most white-guilt whites still need to discuss with their psychiatrists?
Who or What is a “Kaffir”? ** Do “Kaffirs” exist? ** If “Kaffirs” do exist, why is there a problem with calling a person whose behaviour fits the relevant description for the definition of “Kaffir”; a “Kaffir”?
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To Kaffir or not to Kaffir...
Also published at www.zasucks.com
By Mike Smith
Over at the Why we are White Refugees blog We want to know if you think the usage of the word “Kaffir” hurts the cause for Whites in South Africa seeking refugee status overseas...in particular Canada.
Along comes Vlad du Plessis from Perspektief and makes us out as racists. So what, you asked?
Now Vlad is not a bad guy...he just looses “perspektief” sometimes and needs to be helped back on track.
See, Vlad does not supply us with a definition of what he considers racist he just flings the word around like the Kaffirs normally do. He tells us he would like to support our cause, but he cannot live with the word “Kaffir” being used and also do not like us to be linked to one blog called well... Kaffer...
Not only does Vlad accuse us of being “Racists”, he also posts a flag of the National Socialist Workers Party of WW2 Germany, known as the “Hakenkreuz” along with the Afrikaner Resistance Movement’s (AWB) flag, with their similar version of the “Hakenkreuz”. With one foul swoop Vlad du Plessis paints us as racists and Nazis without giving so much as a single shred of proof.
Our stance on Nazis are clear as Uhuru Guru stated in his excellent article over here... Defensive racism vs the Looney Nutzis
I further wrote another piece called Understanding Nationalism where I explain the difference between Nationalism and National Socialism. If Vlad read it he probably would not have pulled the Nazi invective on us. But he did...out of ignorance most probably, because a person like Vlad still refers to Nazi’s as “Rightwing Extremists” when in fact National Socialism is a Left-wing ideology.
But that was not all. Vlad even goes as far as questioning our motives and accusing us of ANC collaboration. Vlad is not new to SA Sucks. He knows us for many years. If he has by now not realised just my own personal contempt and hatred for the Marxist terrorist ANC regime after thousands of posts...then he will probably never realise it, for his paranoid schizophrenia cannot be cured. All of this nonsense just, because we use the word "Kaffir" and are linked to another blog by the name of “Kaffer”.
Although my fists are itching to let rip into Vlad, I will not. Today I will be the better man and rather stay on focus, because Vlad is not a bad guy and certainly not the only lost soul...there are many.
I call myself Uncle Cracker, because the word "Cracker" does not offend me in the least, although I know the full meaning of it and know that Niggers and Kaffirs call us Whites this all the time. Why should I calling them “Kaffir” offend them?
People like Vlad are not worried that somewhere as we are reading this, Blacks are calling us “Umlungu” or “Abelungu”(plural)...White scum that blew from the sea.
The ANC terrorist regime can come along and declare open war on White Farmers such as Tony Ehrenreich did in 2006... The COSATU/ANC declaration of war
Blacks go around and make all sorts of Baseless Racist allegations against Whites
Blacks can make all sorts of Hate speech against Whites such as...
Black man says it is not a crime to rob Whites
Black man shouts to White victim, “We are going to kill all you Whites”
Blacks tells elderly White couple, “We will kill all you White dogs”
Black robber tells White victim, “Do you want to know why I'm doing this? It's not because I hate whites, I just want money"
....But people like Vlad du Plessis is worried about me calling them “Kaffirs”.
See, Blacks can practice their culture in the name of “Cultural Relativism”...
Blacks believe in the demonic Tokoloshe
Christianity is wasted on Kaffirs. Blacks worship their ancestors
Demonic Kaffirs harvest human body parts from live humans
Blacks rape babies
Racist Blacks kill Whites in South Africa
Blacks are the worst Racists in South Africa
...But in the minds of people like Vlad du Plessis I am not allowed to call them Kaffirs. No amount of evil these people perpetrate will ever be evil in the eyes of Multi Culturalists and those practicing Boazian Cultural Relativism, because in their minds all cultures are equal, no culture can be said to be better than any other, except our White Western Culture is always worse.
If I have to subscribe to this theory of “Cultural Relativism”, where we are all equal, then we are either all racist or we are not.
People like Vlad are not concerned that more than 3000 White farmers have been killed by Kaffirs in tens of thousands of attacks by Kaffirs, brutally tortured, raped and killed in cold blood, elderly, women, children, often nothing stolen...al by Kaffirs...NO...they are worried about me using the word “Kaffir”.
People like this want to play nice. Despite all this brutality of Blacks on Whites, they believe we should wear woolly mitts and spar nicely with the Blacks. I can actually think of much worse names to call Kaffirs. I can call them Black murdering and raping scum, and I often do. I can call them Black Marxist Afro Nazis, and I often do, I can call them sub-human savages, and I often do, because it is exactly what they are....No normal Human being would do what they do at those levels of brutality.
Using the word Kaffir is mild. It is nothing compared to what they call us Whites. They openly sing about it in their Kwaito songs. Arthur Mafokate’s song “Kaffir” was a hit in South Africa. Why are they worried about me using the word "Kaffir"?
Nelson Mandela can openly sing about killing Whites, the AmaBhulu, and I cannot call him a Kaffir... Mandela singing about killing Whites
It is not only Whites who suffer this discrimination and hate speech in South Africa, other minorities such as the Indian community is also being targeted. Blacks openly sing about killing Indians, accusing them of being oppressors of Blacks...and Millions of Blacks buy this music and make it hits and give it cult status....
Mbongeni Ngema's song about killing Indians banned
The song is supposedly banned, but every Kaffir I know, knows this song and has a copy somewhere.
...Yet no-one is allowed to call these angelic Blacks Racists...“Kaffirs”....
Ngema refused to apologise for his song, AmaNdiya (the Indians), even after Mandela asked him to...so why should I stop using the word “Kaffir”. Racist Kaffir refuses to apologize for Racist lyrics . Mandela has never asked me anything. And even he does I will tell him exactly where he can get off.
Blacks in South Africa fully support their racist masters in the ANC and South African Communist Party (SACP), by overwhelmingly voting for them who institute the most racist policies this country has ever seen such as Black Economic Empowerment (BEE), Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment (BBBEE) and Affirmative Action (AA). Blacks support racial quotas in everything from sports to university entry, but then claim they are not racists and get offended when I call them “Kaffirs” and want to call me “Racist”...?
Stuff them, I say. The only reason they call me a “Racist” is because that is the word they use when they want to call me a “Kaffir”.
I am not going to pretend to “Kaffirs” I like them. What is there to like? What have Kaffirs done that I should admire them and be proud of them? All I see is violent, murdering, raping and looting savages. What do they want me to call them? Human?
I am not here with my head stuck up my arse pretending South Africa is a wonderful multiracial utopia. I am not going to pretend that Kaffirs and their culture is the same as mine. I have lived in two African countries for 40 years. I have travelled the world extensively. I have travelled to many African countries such as Angola, Nigeria, Cameroon, DRC, Senegal, Ivory Coast, Mozambique, etc...I have been to every Kaffir run country including Jamaica, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Trinidad, Tobago, etc...I have learned one thing in my life...no matter where in the world you go...A KAFFIR IS A KAFFIR.
Those who want to lie to the Kaffirs and pretend that they are not “Racist”, must go ahead and see how far they get. At least with me the Kaffirs know where they stand.
The Canadians are not stupid. They have some of their own racial problems to solve anyway with all the Indians on reserves and Eskimos, etc...I say let them decide for themselves who are the most racist in South Africa, Blacks or Whites. Let us not underestimate their intelligence and decide for them. I believe in telling the truth, even the uncomfortable ones. People have more respect for you that way. The word “Kaffir” with all its meanings and connotations is as South African as they come. As far as I am concerned...The word “Kaffir” stays!
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Hi Lara
I'm going to email you this as well but just so others know my view's I'm commenting here as well.
The etymology of the word Kaffir is not relevant, neither are all the mental gymnastics that may make sense in a courtroom but not in the courtroom of public opinion.
The only thing that matters when it comes to petitions and support groups is perception, and with that comes image.
It doesn't matter who is racist and who isn't, what matters is the cause and that is only damaged by the use of the word Kaffir.
The short argument: foreigners see it, and switch off. The facts and arguments that appear alongside lose their authority. You don't have to like it but that's the way it is.
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Viking,
Thanks for your email/comment and perspective.
I get that -- for you -- the etymology of the word, Kaffir, is irrelevant. I get that -- for you -- the only thing that matters when it comes to petitions and support groups is perception, and with that comes image.
So, I get that -- for you -- that is your position.
I am unaware of how long you have been involved in political activism. I was demonstrating, and got arrested, for Greenpeace, in 1993. In 1999, after a protest in Oakland, I was considered -- by Beeld (front page) -- South Africa's number one activist in America. That was, their 'perception', at the time; not mine.
How many times have you been arrested, or practiced civil disobedience Viking? How many civil disobedience activism organisations have you been involved in, or with, for how many years? How many times have you stuck yourself out there in the front line, to educate gutless jellyfish people so they can grow an intellectual, psychological and emotional spine?
I am aware that if you want the quick fix numbers, in terms of the ignorant and the easily gullible masses, then you got to manage your image, in liberal fashion, and dilute your message, to truth light, or truth zero, for that matter; and tell them the earth is flat, or say it is sort of flat...
Galileo's, or Martin Luthers, like Mike Smith, who have the guts to say the earth is round, against all other politically correct media persuasion bullshit, are few and far between. Liberals, who prefer to go for the 'perception management' of the ignorant masses, hate Galileo's like Mike.
Image is the thing that Liberals are fucking addicted to. 'Image' is what the liberal media hang over your head to scare the beejezes out of you! I am not addicted to managing my image.
I very much agree with Mike's perspective that:
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Those who want to lie to the Kaffirs and pretend that they are not “Racist”, must go ahead and see how far they get. At least with me the Kaffirs know where they stand.
The Canadians are not stupid. They have some of their own racial problems to solve anyway with all the Indians on reserves and Eskimos, etc...I say let them decide for themselves who are the most racist in South Africa, Blacks or Whites. Let us not underestimate their intelligence and decide for them. I believe in telling the truth, even the uncomfortable ones. People have more respect for you that way. The word “Kaffir” with all its meanings and connotations is as South African as they come. As far as I am concerned...The word “Kaffir” stays!
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That is my personal and Cape Rep. of Good Hope blog vote perspective.
The only NAY blog perspective, so far, was Vlad's; and this was UC's response to Vlad. Much of what UC says, I agree with.
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To you, it may not matter who, or what, is a 'racist' and if racists and racism exists or not; or according to what definitions. And if racism does exist, who is, or is not, a racist.
And if so, I ain't sure what you are doing here. The ANC would love you to join their cause, cause they don't demand that their cannon fodder THINKS, when they squeel 'RACIST' like pigs at an abbatoir!
If it doesn't matter who is or is not racist, then there is no fucking 'WHITE REFUGEE' cause, Viking; cause any is the ANC's next WITCH!.
Because a lack of clarity of language underlies, the fundamental means of how the ignorant masses are bullshited with such abstract bullshit words of 'change' and 'hope' and 'racists' and 'kaffirs', et al.
This debate goes to the heart of encouraging people to fucking think, to develop their critical thinking skills, and not to be bullshitted by the De Klerks and Mandelas et al... when they say 'truth and reconciliation'.. that we just go blindly along on a suicide march; but that we demand 'what the fuck do you mean by truth and reconciliation'....
The fundamental discussion of what 'racism' is, or is not; and putting that question right in the noses, and down the throats of the people who use 'racists' and 'racism' like battering rams, against anyone who disagrees with them; without defining what they mean by the use of the word; is as old as the Catholic Church, using words such as 'evil' or a 'witch'.....
Now you are welcome to your perspective that who or what is a racist, is irrelevant, cause. I am not sure what your cause is, in that case. Because the use of 'racist' and 'racism' is how white people are kept shivering in dumbstruck fear, with a Damocles sword over their heads, to be blindly obedient not to speak up, about their honest opinions, on behalf of being white; for fear their image may be tainted with -- god forbid -- the word 'racist'.
So clarify who or what a kaffir is, and who or what a racist is, or not.
That is the fundamental accusation the ANC lodged against Huntley, and the Canadian Government: RACISTS and RACISM. No definition, no clarification, nothing. Just two fucking little words: RACISTS and RACISM.
It is the fundamental accusation they use to shut gutless jellyfish white person, concerned about their 'non-racist' image up!
Regards,
Lara
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Hi Guys
Ag please Ice, Ice, Baby...you are panicking and the pearls of sweat are appearing on your forehead about us using the word “Kaffir”? You want Lara to delete every post and comment on Why we are White refugees blog....Why...What do you fear? Do you live in Canada? Do you fear the Canadians will know you are friends with us racists? Would you rather have them think you are friends with Kaffirs? You come on here sounding exactly like the LWB’s at WSAS, “oh, you are so racist, Oh I cannot believe how narrow-minded you are, Oh I cannot believe that you cannot see what I see and I want you to see, Its so obvious”...HAHAHA.
Vanilla Ice, I totally disagree with you. In the last 15 years moderation has achieved absolutely Fuck-All against these Kaffirs. So what now...You want to give them more of the same? How many refugees has “Moderation” achieved? Whites are not ONE step closer to being acknowledged as refugees from South Africa. We are not one step closer to stopping farm murders, or the genocide on us Whites in South Africa. We are not one step closer to stopping BEE or AA...Sorry but I do not stay in Canada like you. I am further sick and tired, fed, up, gatvol of pussyfooting about when our people are being killed in their thousands and the Whole world watches and thinks we deserve it.
Do you honestly think the use of the word Kaffir will influence the Canadian Government? They have already found Huntley guilty of Racism because the ANC SAYS SO...In their eyes all whites in SA are already racists. Doesn't matter that 80 percent of the Whites in South Africa are actually Liberal and vote for the DA. It does not matter to the Canadians and it does not matter to the ANC Kaffirs. It is a simple matter really. Canadians are the judges, we are the accused and the ANC is the prosecution. The prosecution is shouting, “RACIST, RACISTS; RACISTS...” And we are shouting...what exactly are we shouting? What do we build a case on to start off with? Where do we even start when the judges are already convinced we are RACISTS when we just keep quiet all the time? If we keep quiet, then it must be true! We are RACISTS.
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Dealing with the ANC is like dealing with shouting children. There is no way you will get them to stop shouting by asking them nicely. No you have to shout them down and be much louder than them or nobody will even hear what you have to say.
Huntleys case will be overturned, whether we run this White Refugee blog or not. South African Whites ARE and WILL ALWAYS BE RACIST...no matter how much you scream we are NOT RACIST...The perception you speak of is made already. It is not going to change, improve or get worse by us using the word "Kaffir". The minds of the world are already made up. Fuck man they made their minds up from about 1963 until today, due to ANC propaganda. The Kaffirs are the angels and we are the skunks. No amount of moderation is going to change that perception. I am surprised you have not realised that.
At least with the use of the word Kaffir, they will take notice of the racial issues involved in South Africa. By using moderation the world thinks the ANC is correct. There is no genocide. There is no problem in South Africa...If there was a problem, Whites would be furious and screaming out...THERE IS A FUCKING PROBLEM IN OUR COUNTRY AND IT IS KAFFIRS KILLING WHITES !!!
Let me ask you something Vanilla Ice...When last have you negotiated with a Kaffir union? What does moderation bring you then? Do you think the ANC came to power on the back of moderation? Moderation at the negotiating table in 1992/93 is what cost us our country in the first place. Moderation is the root cause why 3000 White farmers lay dead and buried in the ground today.
Moderation tells the world, “Nothing is wrong. We are a bit perturbed about the crime, but otherwise everything is just fine and dandy”
15 years we have asked the world to have a look at what is happening to Whites in South Africa. Fifteen years we have knocked on the door to beg the world to look how our people are being slaughtered, but to no avail. I am sorry, but if I knock on a door for 15 years and nobody opens it, I kick the god-damn door down. If the world does not want to look at South Africa when asked nicely, then their idiotic liberal pink fluffy heads should be taken with both hands and their smirky faces shoved in the shithole South Africa has become, that they, fuckheads that they are...contributed to.
Carry on with your “moderation” Vanilla Ice...see how far you get. Another 15 years down the line and another 3000 White farmers dead, you will be not a step closer as what you are today or what you were in 1994...Good luck with that. In the words of the great Thomas Paine... “Moderation in temper is always a Virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice”...Pity you cannot see it.
Mike Smith
Lara
Enough with the trying to change the subject - you are the ANC's wet dream, not me. They just love all the kaffir talk because it gives them the excuse to carry on taking those farms and business and everything else. Not that they need an excuse, but they do love it.
You've basically admitted that you don't give a flying fuck about Huntley but are more interested in putting forward your own agenda, which is fine and you have every right to do it but then change the name of the blog to something more honest.
If you want to support Huntley, then have a tactic that actually helps him not harms his case. Writing masses of paragraphs makes no difference to me. And suggesting that I'm no activist is a dishonest attempt to play the man and not the ball (I learned that was cheating).
It's not about me, it's about Huntley. Focus on that. This is about how Canadians see things, not how you do.
Mike
You are delivering a sermon to the converted. Nobody disputes the facts. Nobody disagrees that the whites are being persecuted. I think we are in agreement on that.
The disagreement is the approach. Yes, I live in Canada but I am self-employed and protected by the Charter of Freedoms and Rights. I face daily questions about South Africa. Most of them enquiring. It would not help the cause one bit if I used every opportunity to rant about kaffirs or barbarity. I have to frame my responses in a way that makes sense; delicately. This way wins over more friends than the bull in the china shop approach. It is about being aware of your target audience. Now, if you believe that the coalition efforts will make no difference, why support Lara's effort in the first place? Was it merely a covert way of delivering the same message in the same way, but through deception and misrepresentation. You can scream as much as you like, Mike, it will draw attention, no doubt. But will it deliver results? No. You will be discredited. It is quite possible, and even likely, that white South Africans can achieve some success by presenting themselves in a more moderate and honest light. As for when I last negotiated with a black union; I owned a factory and six retails outlets, and I employed in excess of 70 people. Negotiating with a union was a regular part of everday business, I am not disputing you on those frustrations. Anyway, you and Lara can enjoy your tea party. Unless you understand the value of perception, your effort will not be very successful. It may even hamper efforts by future South Africans, as it reinforces the view that white Saffers deserve what is happening to them.
I am the ANC's wet dream, that was hilarious! thanks for the laugh...
Viking, for someone who has never lived in the same flat with a Kaffir, let alone, had long conversations with many, let alone lived on a farm, who speaks the language, blah blah... you sure seem to think you know your ANC Kaffirs very well.
This is not about one Huntley, it is about 4 million (mines the white guilt kaffir liberal) Huntley's!
It is about what Huntley represents: calling a spade a spade and exposing the Truth and Reconciliation Social Contract to be a farce, a dog and pony show... BULLSHIT.. not just for Huntley, but any white person who objects... is given the queeling pig ANC, or liberal white kaffir treatment of RACIST... or RACISM...
Mr Huntley's attorney is welcome to inform me any minute, that he and/or Mr. Huntley would like to distance themselves from the content of this white refugee blog. He is well aware of it.
So, if you got something to say on behalf of the 2-4 million odd white Refugee Huntley's, say it.
@Andrea
glad you liked it :)
how do you know who I have and haven't lived with??
I think I know them dam well, because I listen carefully to what people around me say.
You know I agree with everything you've written, and I'm glad you said it. It is NOT about Huntley - glad too because personally I think there are about, oh, 4 million white people who have it worse than he does right now, and right now I'm one of them and so are you.
ps Don't you have a foreign passport?? You're married to an American..?
Huntley didn't apparently, and neither do a few million unwanted white Saffers who'd love to stay in SA because it's their home but might be forced out and have nowhere to go.
That's the importance of what we say and do. It's not about Brandon, but about getting the word out that the ANC have reneged on their promises and that persecution of minorities is a reality.
The facts speak for themselves.
"That's the importance of what we say and do. It's not about Brandon, but about getting the word out that the ANC have reneged on their promises and that persecution of minorities is a reality."
Indeed.. and about that issue, I have been -- not writing -- but involved in the legal criminal justice system, in civil disobedience, for 7 years; of which one year was in a prison cell...!
And no, i do not have a foreign passport; i am seperated from my husband, in the process of an amicable divorce.
Viking,
Ek stem met met jou saam dat hierdie blog in die guns van die ANC speel deur blankes soos aards rassiste te laat voorkom. Die growwe taal en persoonlike beledigings op mense wat van hul menings verskil is ook onvanpas en soos jy tereg se doen dit die vlugtelingsaak baie skade.
Ek vermoed dat hierdie mense agent provocateurs van die ANC regime is. Dit wil voorkom asof hulle daarop uit is om die onderdrukte blanke groepering se saak te kaap en te saboteur.
Vlad
thanks, Vlad.
Even the KKK told it's members to stop saying nigger lol
Ahhh yes... My Sons, the Klan Reformers....
Ah, my son, my son . . . .
He’s 40 years old, and really needs to change careers.
When he was 20, he joined the Ku Klux Klan, because he was concerned that the Klan was getting too big, too aggressive. In those days, they were lynching some poor man every week, which he felt was wrong. He felt that the Klan should limit itself to a lynching every month, and that things were getting waaaay out of hand.
I’ve spent my life arguing that the Klan should be abolished, so I had mixed feelings about his decision. Without a doubt, I would rather the Klan lynch someone once a month rather than once a week, so I was somewhat tempted by his “work from the inside” approach, but I had some significant doubts that it could work.
“But dad,” he said, those many years ago, “I can get the word out that the Klan should stop using the word “nigger” and “kaffir”, which will be a step in the right direction, right?”
“I can get the word out that anyone in the Klan who uses the words “nigger” and “kaffir”, should be prosecuted for hate speech, which will be a step in the right direction, right?”
Yeah Right Son....
Lara, that's a fictional story.
1. uMlungu is derived from lungile meaning it is right. mlungu means someone who is good. i have no idea where you got your defenition but i can ganantee you that they are wrong.
2. You say white black people are savages, they rape babies, make human sacrifices etc and all that makes them "sub human". Incest is dominent around whites, white people rape kids, make satanistic rituals, white people also do all the crap you credit only to black people.
3. The country DOES NOT NEED PEOPLE LIKE YOU. we need people who will sit down and find a balance. two wrongs do not make a right. Black people hating white people and vice versa will not move the country forward.
i sure hope you do not still hold such ignorant beliefs
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Re: Uncle Cracker definition of Umlungu
The original reference to umlungu was made by the author of the article whose pseudonyms include: Mike Smith [not the Mike Smith policeman shot in Dallas by Micah X Johnson]; aka Uncle Cracker; aka Seven Seas [name of South African alcohol made from sugar cane; name of Disney world lake with less than honest warning signage; where Elkhorn nebraska toddler Lane Graves was drowned by crocodile/alligator]; aka Wayne Smith. I don't know if Wayne Smith has has Sir Wayne Girl Troubles or not.
Wayne Smith aka Seven Seas aka Uncle Cracker aka Mike Smith said:
"I call myself Uncle Cracker, because the word "Cracker" does not offend me in the least, although I know the full meaning of it and know that Niggers and Kaffirs call us Whites this all the time. Why should I calling them “Kaffir” offend them?
People like Vlad are not worried that somewhere as we are reading this, Blacks are calling us “Umlungu” or “Abelungu”(plural)...White scum that blew from the sea.
At the time; this article was published: White Refugee blog had invited numerous other blogs focussed on the African White Refugee or related issues; to form a coalition; to cooperate in discussion of issues in dispute; to clarify such issues in dispute; and ultimately have a clearer message. One of the issues of contention was the definition of kaffir. The editor of this blog has her own Radical Honoursty cultural definitions of kaffir; submitted to various courts; and recognizes that other people have different definitions for the term 'kaffir'. If or when someone uses the term 'kaffir' in conversation with her; she generally asks them to provide their definition of 'kaffir'; so that she is clear what they mean by kaffir; rather than presuming that everyone on the planet has the same 'kaffir' definition she has. See -- Kaffir: To Be or Not to Be tag -- for among others correspondence to Sandile Memela: Unlike a Rose Kaffir does not smell the same to black and white. Memela and most of the others; did not respond.
Re: The country does not need people like you
If by 'the country' you are referring to South Africa: Wayne Smith aka Seven Seas aka Uncle Cracker aka Mike Smith left South Africa a long time ago; he now lives in Germany.
Re: We need people who will sit down and find a balance
As for: "we need people who will sit down and find a balance. two wrongs do not make a right. Black people hating white people and vice versa will not move the country forward."
Who are you referring to when you say 'we'?
What is your definition for 'hate'?
When you say 'move the country forward' what do you mean by that?
When you say 'find a balance' what do you mean; balance between what? Masonic White and black races; left and right ideologies; rich and poor? or what exactly?
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EoP culture suggestions re: right and wrong procreation and consumption and relating agreements
On White Refugee blog see: Eco Innocent v Ego Man Scarcity Combatant’s and their Crime of Aggression Acts of War Footprints.
At EoP Tygae Aex: see: EoP NWO social contract options: EoP PoW submission to Swiss Federal Council; EoP PoW's –v– Nobel Committee & Peace Laureates et al; etc.
EoP culture suggestions re: building authentic interracial relations
See EoP culture response to Simamkele Dlakavu Re: Building authentic interracial relations. It is documented at EoP v WiP NWO Negotiations: Comments Correspondence [PDF]: 26 Jun: Cows, Oxfam. There has been no response from Simamkele Dlakavu.
Note to White Refugee blog readers:
PS: Did you read White Refugees blog: Note to Readers? Here is a 19 July 2016 screenshot copy. If not click on White Refugees. See 'Note to Readers'.
Admin Conclusion
A copy of this correspondence shall be posted to: EoP v WiP NWO Negotiations: Comments Correspondence [PDF]: White Refugees.
[1/3] Re: Failure of White Refugee coalition blogs
The idea for White Refugee coalition blogs did not succeed. As I recall: Other blogs who considered quantity of readers more important than quality of readers; for example: demanded that use of the term 'kaffir' was bad for the coalition's 'public relations image'. There was also disagreement about how to resolve disagreements conflict.
Re: Public Relations Image: Many blog editors demanded that the coalition engage in a'cryptic false pretend public relations image'; that obviously was different from their real values, beliefs, ideas and/or opinions; so as to attract a large number of readers.
The White Refugee editor refused -- as she has done repeatedly thereafter -- to put forward a fake public relations image front; insisting that her public relations be 100% buck stops here honest; as she preferred quality readers who have a large chance of being sincere about problem solving; as opposed to fuck honour quantity readers to boost her fuck honour fragile ego; who simply waste her time.
Correction: [2/3] Re: Failure of White Refugee coalition blogs
A copy of EoP Clerk response to Goldman Sachs demands that she engage in censorship of her honest opinions:
See EoP Correspondence to EoP Applicants [PDF]; Intnl Law [PDF]; EoP Axis [PDF]; Israel [PDF]: 12 October 2015: EoP Axis/Intnl Law/GMC Applicants: RE: 1. Written Reasons: Refusal to Censor Profanities; and EoP Applicant: Ray Odierno [PDF: 30 Sept 2015 12:48 PM & 1:07 PM] response to Goldman Sachs demands to censor profanities and engage in 'business language':
---- Excerpt: response to JP Morgan ----
[ start of full response to JP Morgan ]
Thanks, but no thanks.
I practice Radical Honoursty Ecology of Peace business practices.
If there is any error in my original correspondence; JP Morgan is more than welcome to inform me; so that I can correct such error.
If there is any word or phrase that is unclear and requires further clarification in my original correspondence; JP Morgan is more than welcome to inform me which phrase it is; and I shall be more than happy to clarify it.
If there is any word or phrase that is too crystal clear for JP Morgan’s ‘fuck honour’ business practices; who would prefer it to be diluted into vague obfuscation and ambiguity to soothe the fragile ego’s of JP Morgans’ fuck honour Masonic War is Peace ‘bullshit the public relations’ business practices.
Thanks, but no thanks. I practice Buck Stops Here Radical Honoursty Ecology of Peace business practices.
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[3/3] Re: Failure of White Refugee coalition blogs
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1. Written Reasons: Refusal to Censor Profanities
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Problems can only be solved by honest -- if required brutally honest -- discussion focused on the root causes of the problem. If two or more people decide that any issue is a problem; the problem solving of that issue is similar to a ‘problem solving discussion commons’; no different to a commons where farmers graze their cattle; or any other metaphorical commons.
As shown by Garrett Hardin in Tragedy of the Commons; a village of farmers can live in sustainable abundance of the resources provided to them from the commons; if they all take personal responsibility for refraining from consuming or procreating above the ecological carrying capacity of the commons. If that means all farmers are only allowed four sheep; they can live sustainably in abundance if they all take responsibility for (a) personally only having four sheep each on the commons; and (b) holding each other accountable by evacuating any farmer who cheats wanting more sheep on the commons; causing the Tragedy of the Commons spiral of resource depletion and resource war conflict.
In a problem solving discussion commons: If one of the individuals in that problem solving commons; says ‘you can’t use this or that word cause it offends me’; what the farmer is saying is: ‘you can’t use this or that word cause I am too gutless to go and tell the human sheep on my cultural, religious, racial, class, ideological, tax etc farm; to maintain their procreation and consumption below commons carrying capacity limits.
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Re: Summary: White Refugee relationship to ZA Sucks
White Refugee editor was never a contributor to ZA Sucks; but supported their right to free speech to enable them to verbally rant their anger on their blog; as opposed to being forced to suppress their verbal anger; and then resorting to physical violent anger. White Refugees encouraged honest and sincere dialogue with ZA Sucks editor and contributors; and encouraged others such as Rendier Gouws to sincerely engage ZA Sucks; with his criticism of them: [R3ndi3r vs. SA Sucks] The Monty Python Flying Black Babies Chimp-Fest Drama. White Refugee blog occasionally re-posted ZA Sucks articles that she thought were helpful in stimulating honest problem solving conversation.
ZA Sucks was originally hosted on blogger; but was deleted by blogger a few times. ZA Sucks then moved to private servers; who also received complaints; and so moved around to various different servers until they found one willing to provide them with free speech hosting service. As far as White Refugee editor is aware ZA Sucks was finally taken down by ZASucks editor: Uhuru Guru; after he was arrested 0n 04 November 2009 -- Uhuru Guru of SA Sucks Arrested; Was 'Uhuru Guru's' 'Arrest' Legal? Who Gives a Flying Rats Ass? Should You? and his brother Doodler committed suicide; by shooting himself; in a police station toilet.
Doodler's suicide occurred a few weeks or months after White Refugees editor had re-posted ZA Sucks Farm Attack photographs allegedly provided to Uhuru Guru by Doodler; who had allegedly received them from a South African policeman. White Refugee had been informed in a comment that some of the photos were not authentic. White Refugee editor investigated; found out that indeed a few of the photos were not authentic South African White Refugee farm attack photo's and consequently notified ZA Sucks that some of the photos were not authentic; and published a retraction posting with apology -- [Update 16-11-09] Notice of (i) Correction of Error/s & (ii) Retraction of Enclosure; re: Encl.Your Life is In Danger (www.zasucks.com/?p=6151); detailing all of the people White Refugee editor contacted with a personal email apology; which included then ANC Youth League leader: Julius Malema.
ILuvSA: Vanilla Ice noticed the published apology; also investigated and then published their withdrawal and apology: Black Swans, Misrepresentations and the Truth; Exposing the Truth Part II; Exposing the Truth Part III. ZA Sucks Uhuru Guru was furious about White Refugee and ILuvSA's apologies and retractions; but refused to provide further information indicating that the disputed photos were authentic South African farm murder photos.
ZA Wayback Machine: www.zasucks.com]
Posted 19 July 2016 at 19:50 HRS:
Mike Smith via Mike Smith Political Commentary: What is a Good Kaffir?
Transparency copy: There was a comment from someone called: Sir Wayne to your ZA Sucks article reposted to White Refugees at: To Kaffir; or not to Kaffir.
A copy of this comment shall be posted to: (i) White Refugees: To Kaffir; or not to Kaffir; (ii) EoP v WiP NWO Negotiations: Comments Correspondence [PDF]: Mike Smith Political Commentary.
You saying the original reference of the word "mlungu" was by "Mike Smith", so by saying that you are basically arguing that it cannot be true that black nguni south africans had been using the word before this?
Re: The country does not need people like you
Whether the dude is still in the country or not makes no difference. people Like him, who still hold such views are still in the country, people who still see black people as sub humans are still prevalent in this country.
Re: We need people who will sit down and find a balance
Who are you referring to when you say 'we'?
By "We" i mean South African citizans - Black, white, indian, coloured whatever you say you. By not dealing with the past and just ignoring it, politicians will always throw apartheid in the peoples faces. e.g eskom saga, Zuma claimed that it was the apartheid governments fault, when in actual fact it isn't. he knows that his power lies in keeping apartheid alive in peoples memories.
What is your definition for 'hate'?
Typical hate definition and also holding grudges or looking down on other races.
When you say 'move the country forward' what do you mean by that?
The country, well mostly black people seem to be stuck at fearing the return of apartheid, the "Rainbow nation" dream is a dream that can be achieved, thats what we(South African Citizens) should be striving for. Some white people are stuck at wanting apartheid way of life to come back
Hate speech SHOULD NOT be tollerated be it from blacks, white, whoever. Having said that i do think that people have become too sensitive, it almost as if people are always anticipating or expoecting someone of different colour to say something derogatory.
When you say 'find a balance' what do you mean; balance between what? Masonic White and black races; left and right ideologies; rich and poor? or what exactly?
"Find the balance" was a poor choice of words because it gives room for racist beliefs. what i meant was a harmonious was of life between the races, looking beyond a persons skin colour and seeing the person behind.
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Sir Wayne:
It does not appear as if you read the Note to Readers. For Your Information: I have updated the White Refugee blog commenting policy rules.
Re Mike Smith’s Mlungu definition:
I am not Mike Smith. I don’t speak for Mike Smith’s definitions of ‘mlungu’. I never use the word ‘mlungu’ so have no working definition meaning for it. The people who use the word ‘mlungu’ to communicate some message to others; should define what they mean when they use the world. If you want to know what Mike Smith means by ‘mlungu’ or where he got his definitions from; you would have to ask him. You can contact him via his blog: Mike Smith Political Commentary.
Re: Sir Wayne’s South Africa does not need people like Mike Smith:
I am not a member of South Africa’s Masonic War is Peace black, white, left or right cultures. Members of South Africa’s Masonic War is Peace cultures should decide amongst themselves whom the country needs and does not need.
Re: Sir Wayne’s South Africa does not need people who are members of Ecology of Peace cultures:
It has been made quite clear to me by South Africa’s Masonic War is Peace elite: politicians; judges, businesses, media, lawyers; that members of the Ecology of Peace culture are not welcome in their Mandelatopia Masonic War is Peace South Africa. Consequently I have requested Minister of Justice Mike Masutha [PDF] to confirm my interpretation of South Africa’s Masonic War is Peace perspective towards members of Ecology of Peace culture; and notified him that accordingly I am making plans to depart South Africa.
Ecology of Peace definition of hate:
Ecology of Peace culture does not share your Masonic War is Peace definition of hate. Maybe one day you will give a fuck about whether other cultures share your defintion for any abstract concept. I won't hold my breath. If you don’t give a fuck about the truth; the whole truth and nothing but the truth; based upon the evidence, the whole evidence and nothing but the evidence; I suggest you don't waste my and your time with more of your verbal diarhea. kindly fuck off from the White Refugee blog whose values are based upon the truth; the whole truth and nothing but the truth; based upon the evidence, the whole evidence and nothing but the evidence.
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Sir Wayne’s verbal diarrhea opinion about moving South Africa forward.
When you give a fuck about providing a definition of ‘hate’ that is based upon the truth; the whole truth and nothing but the truth; based upon the evidence, the whole evidence and nothing but the evidence; let me know. Until then; you are wasting your and my time with your verbal diarhea.
Sir Wayne’s Masonic War is Peace verbal diarrhea definition of racist:
When you give a fuck about providing a definition of ‘racist’ that is based upon the truth; the whole truth and nothing but the truth; based upon the evidence, the whole evidence and nothing but the evidence; let me know. Until then; you are wasting your and my time with your verbal diarhea..
Re: Sir Wayne’s South Africa needs people who will sit down and find a balance:
The Ecology of Peace culture has provided Sir Wayne’s Masonic War is Peace Mandelatopia political and legal officials with detailed evidence of what Ecology of Peace culture refers to be ‘balance’. They have fuck all interest in Ecology of Peace balance.
If Sir Wayne sincerely gives a fuck about Ecology of Peace balance; file an application in any South African court where Ecology of Peace political and ecological balance legal submissions have been filed; and inform those courts that Sir Wayne gives a fuck about those courts listening to that EoP evidence.
It sounds like Sir Wayne is some verbal diarrhea african liberal; who has swallowed his fuck honour liberal Masonic War is Peace human factory farming masters -- pretend we give a fuck about the niggers while doing fuck all to educate them about Masonic War is Peace 'right to breed and consume with total disregard for ecological carrying capacity limits reality source of their 'racism' misery -- koolaid. I don't have time for people pretending they care; when they don't give a fuck enough about themselves to be buck stops here honest with themselves.
If you give a fuck about the truth; do you agree or disagree:
Ecology of Peace factual reality: 1. Earth is not flat; 2. Resources are finite; 3. When humans breed or consume above ecological carrying capacity limits,, it results in ecological overshoot and resource conflict; 4. If individuals, families, tribes, races, religions, and/or nations want to sustainably protect and conserve natural resources in accordance to local and national carrying capacity limits; and restrict local, national and international resource war conflict; they should cooperate to implement an Ecology of Peace international law social contract that restricts all the worlds citizens to breed and consume below ecological carrying capacity limits.
If you disagree with Ecology of Peace Factual Reality; and your disagreement is based upon evidence; kindly provide your evidence.
If you disagree with Ecology of Peace Factual Reality; and your disagreement is based upon your fuck honour fragile ego's inability to buck stops here confront ecological finite resource reality; then how the fuck can you bullshit yourself you care about yourself; when you are lying to yourself; and how the fuck are you and I equal; when I care enough about myself to tell myself the buck stops here truth?
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