Note to Readers:

Please Note: The editor of White Refugee blog is a member of the Ecology of Peace culture.

Summary of Ecology of Peace Radical Honoursty Factual Reality Problem Solving: Poverty, slavery, unemployment, food shortages, food inflation, cost of living increases, urban sprawl, traffic jams, toxic waste, pollution, peak oil, peak water, peak food, peak population, species extinction, loss of biodiversity, peak resources, racial, religious, class, gender resource war conflict, militarized police, psycho-social and cultural conformity pressures on free speech, etc; inter-cultural conflict; legal, political and corporate corruption, etc; are some of the socio-cultural and psycho-political consequences of overpopulation & consumption collision with declining resources.

Ecology of Peace RH factual reality: 1. Earth is not flat; 2. Resources are finite; 3. When humans breed or consume above ecological carrying capacity limits, it results in resource conflict; 4. If individuals, families, tribes, races, religions, and/or nations want to reduce class, racial and/or religious local, national and international resource war conflict; they should cooperate & sign their responsible freedom oaths; to implement Ecology of Peace Scientific and Cultural Law as international law; to require all citizens of all races, religions and nations to breed and consume below ecological carrying capacity limits.

EoP v WiP NWO negotiations are updated at EoP MILED Clerk.

Saturday, January 23, 2010

“White SA's I know, DO WANT a Honest Debate about Race”

23 January 2010

Mr. Andile Mngxitama
c/o and via The Editor, Sowetan


RE: Whites I know do NOT want the World Cup; and DO WANT a Honest Debate about Race; (i.e. Truth & Justice; in the absence thereof: Secession)

Firstly, may I inform you that I do not know one white person, who wanted the ANC government to bid for the 2010 World Cup. Every single white person I know, would have much preferred the ANC to save the money that is being spent on the World Cup, and to invest that money in education, and police services, and service delivery for all South Africans. Unfortunately, the ANC do not listen to these white South Africans, nor does the ANC care in the slightest what we would prefer the ANC do with our taxes. The ANC and those who voted for the ANC, wanted to bid for the World Cup, but not one white person I know wanted the ANC to bid for the World Cup. NOT ONE! Furthermore, in this letter I would like to provide you with the following feedback, and alternative factual evidentiary information and theoretical perspectives.

In We Need a Race Debate Urgently, Mr. President, you wrote:

Out Of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa; By Keith Richburg

The denial of racism is at the core of why South Africa is not working for the majority, who happen to be black.

I most certainly agree with you that we need an honest debate about race. I have been begging for such an honest debate about race for seven years, after I believe the lies told me by President Nelson Mandela, that he wanted whites to come back to South Africa, to come and make a difference. My efforts towards an honest conversation about race, have resulted in the ANC Government putting me in prison, once for a year, and the other time, I was detained without a bail hearing for 33 days.

You appear to think that white people should respect blacks, without blacks earning such respect. It should just be handed to you on a silver platter. You don’t need to work for it, and earn it, and act in any manner that demonstrates you have cognitively absorbed ‘human’ cultural values. I have a high degree of respect for blacks who behave like they are humans, a very high respect. I married such a black man, because I respected him so. But I have no respect for someone who goes around raping babies, women, old grannies, etc. I have no respect for someone who endorses a cultural belief system that allows for people’s body parts to be cut off them while they are still alive; a belief system that deliberately and intentionally ‘for good luck’ inflicts horrific terror on people who are harvested like pigs, for ‘muti murder potions’. I consider anyone who is so moronically stupid to believe such crap, to be cognitively still running around in the dark ages: a savage. There was a time a few thousand years ago, when whites also did such Neanderthal crap, and believed such obscene and paranoid belief systems; when the majority of whites too were savages. Are you suggesting that we all go backwards, and all become savages, and in that way, blacks who are too lazy to get themselves a scientific education and learn new ideas, and grow out of their savage cultural belief systems, can simply remain savages and we shall all join them?

So, I entirely agree with you we need an honest conversation about race. In fact if that honest conversation about race, includes the reality that blacks in South Africa want all whites to leave South Africa, permanently, that is fine too. Say so. As I wrote recently to the Austrian Ambassador:
I don’t have a problem with ‘Africa for the Africans’. I don’t have a problem with Africans wanting to rule themselves, or even wanting whites out of Africa. If that is what Africans truly want, then why can we not have an honest conversation, and they can request European nations that their descendants be repatriated? If white African are willing to return in terms of Africa for the Africans; but European nations refuse to take us; where must we go?

Alternatively, in the same manner that the National Party granted each African tribe their own homeland under apartheid where they could have their own elections and elect their own leaders; I know of many, many white and coloured South Africans who would prefer to live – like the Kosovars – among their own, and to be ruled by their own people. As Dan Roodt recently wrote, in an excellent article, Nkosi: Seen ons met apartheid (Boss, Bless Us With Apartheid). Many, many white and coloured South Africans would be overjoyed to be able to be given the opportunity to rule themselves in their own homeland, in the same way that the Apartheid Government provided the Black Tribes to rule themselves during Apartheid. But unfortunately, unlike the Apartheid government, under the ANC we are all being coerced and forced to pretend that we want to live with each other, when none of us want to, and we all very much resent being forced to.

While white students who don’t want to be forced to integrate, make civil disobedience satire video’s, to express their dissent; blacks who don’t want to be forced to integrate, and who want whites out of Africa; write their messages, not on satire videos, but on the walls, with statements like ‘Kill the Farmer, Kill the Boer’; in the blood, of the dead white farmers they have murdered and tortured, and gutted like pigs, for slaughter.

In Shame, Mzansi is not putting our people First, you wrote:

White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era (P.S.); by Shelby Steele

Blacks were made to suffer massive underdevelopment by colonialism and apartheid.

May I suggest that while apartheid was definitely not perfect, it is my understanding that during apartheid, the ‘evil’ white Apartheid government in fact treated poor blacks in South Africa better than any other ‘Black Consciousness’ government in Africa. Furthermore, considering that when the white man arrived in Africa, African blacks had no written language, no books, no educational system, no legal system, etc… the development that occurred in South Africa, which made South Africa the economic powerhouse of Africa, was the development brought to Africa by predominantly white people’s ideas, and money.

At the time that South Africa was handed over to the ANC, poor blacks under the ‘evil’ white Apartheid government had the best living conditions on the entire continent of Africa!; and whites handed to the Black South African Government the most developed country in Africa. Could you please explain to me, which Black Government in Africa, provided more development to their black people? In fact, it is quite possible that colonialism itself provided more development to many black African countries, than ‘Black Nationalist’ goverments.

May I suggest the following two article’s to give you a balanced perspective:

Out, Whitey! Out:
Stupid people shouldn't breed, especially when they're sanctimoniously obsessed about always being correct, knowledgeable and even erudite.

In recent months, a few cyber commentators have made two startlingly original and insightful reflections about white South Africans: (1) white people don't have any culture; and (2) black people don't need white people or anything developed or made by white people, so all whites should return to their places of origin.

From Gothenburg to Grahamstown, and from Seattle to Seoul, most of our world's modern-day conveniences and comforts have their origins in Europe or people of European origin. Just pause for a minute or two to reflect on the development and greater significance (in rough chronological order) of universities, cartography, printing presses, steam trains and railways, photography, telephone and radio communication, internal-combustion engines, aircraft, television, jet engines, lasers, personal computers and genetic engineering.

Open Letter to the Whitehouse:
This is a picture of the country which under Verwoerd had the second highest economic growth rate in the world (7,9% per year), an average inflation rate of 2 per cent, was accommodating new labour in the formal sector at 73,6 per cent per year, and enabled the living standards of Blacks in the industrial sector to rise at 5,3 per cent per year as against those of Whites at 3,9 per cent per year. The Financial Mail published a special survey entitled "The fabulous years: 1961-66". And as the previously mentioned Jan Botha wrote, Verwoerd "had launched the greatest programme of socio-economic upliftment for the non-Whites that South Africa had ever seen".

InThe State Given a Blank Check to Commit Murders, you wrote:

The Content of Our Character: A New Vision of Race In America, by Shelby Steele

Crime within our communities is generated by socio- economic conditions and will never be defeated by gunning down alleged robbers.

The socio-economic conditions of black people are breeding criminals at an alarming rate. If you change these conditions, half the battle will be won. What is going on right now is a mass murder of black men in the name of fighting crime.

Your belief is based on ideological fantasies, from communists who would prefer to keep people ignorant, lazy and on welfare, so as to be easily to emotionally manipulate. If you are interested in facts, as opposed to ideological fantasies for the root causes of crime, herewith some information for you.

Crime Theory Demolished: Poverty is NOT the root cause of crime, Wall Street Journal
The recession of 2008-09 has undercut one of the most destructive social theories that came out of the 1960s: the idea that the root cause of crime lies in income inequality and social injustice.

As the economy started shedding jobs in 2008, criminologists and pundits predicted that crime would shoot up, since poverty, as the "root causes" theory holds, begets criminals. Instead, the opposite happened. Over seven million lost jobs later, crime has plummeted to its lowest level since the early 1960s. The consequences of this drop for how we think about social order are significant.

At the start of the recession, the two police chiefs who confidently announced that their cities' crime rates would remain recession-proof were Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton and New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

As New York Police Commissioner in the mid-1990s, Mr. Bratton pioneered the intensive use of crime data to determine policing strategies and to hold precinct commanders accountable—a process known as Compstat. Commissioner Kelly has continued Mr. Bratton's revolutionary policies, leading to New York's stunning 16-year 77% crime drop.

May I suggest though that if you would want to adopt such a Policing Strategy, you would need to give up the addiction to BEE and AA, and hire people purely on merit; including their meritorious capability to abstain from corruption, and greed and laziness.

Finally, if you are seriously and sincerely looking for some of the root causes of poverty, besides laziness and ignorance, consider the following age old adage of leaders who are anything but liberty minded, but are what is called ‘slave and cannon fodder breeding’ minded, in terms of their perspectives towards their subjects:

Root Causes of Poverty: Cultural Belief Systems and Values in Regards to Small Families, whereby families concentrate their education and wealth, for their children’s benefit.

In contrast, consider the following Black South African cultural belief systems with respect to the Breeding of Poverty and Moral Degeneration:

Witchcraft and the State in South Africa:

Witchcraft, Violence and Democracy in South Africa; By Adam Ashforth

Especially evening assemblies girls had to attend as well: “They would come into the house and tell us we should go. They didn't ask your mother they just said ‘come let's go.’ You would just have to go with them. They would threaten you with their belts and ultimately you would think that if you refused, they would beat you. Our parents were afraid of them” (quoted by Delius 1996:189).

All those opposing the wishes of the young men were reminded, that it was every woman’s obligation to give birth to new “soldiers”, in order to replace those warriors killed in the liberation struggle. The idiom of the adolescents referred to these patriotic efforts as “operation production”. Because of exactly this reason it was forbidden for the girls to use contraceptives. (Delius 1996:189; Niehaus 1999:250)

Mbeki’s Legacy Not His Alone:
That South Africa has the highest Aids infection and death rates is neither altogether Mbeki's doing, nor coincidental. Legislation and other government-driven policies and programmes have engendered an environment that has escalated the pandemic. For example, the permissive pregnancy rules and social grants (especially for children) introduced by the Constitution and government have encouraged teenagers and unmarried women to have children on a large scale. The spread of Aids has been a consequence; the evidence is there for all to see. And so too there is a high correlation between this abnormal government-sponsored population explosion, on the one hand, and the deepening of the Aids crisis, of Malthusian poverty aggravation, moral degeneration and social disintegration on the other.

I look forward to your response,

Respectfully Submitted,

Lara Johnstone
Boycott 2010 World Cup: Truth & Justice; or Secession?
Why We Are White Refugees



Lime said...

Good response - keep us posted if you get a reply (but don't hold your breath).

Lime said...

Good response, but don't hold your breath for a reply.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Hi Lime,

I shall keep you posted, if I receive a reply, and no I won't hold my breath.

Would be nice to be surprised now and then in South Africa, by someone who actually does bother to reply to constructive criticism feedback.

Shall wait and see..

FLEUR-DE-LIS HUMINT :: F(x) Population Growth x F(x) Declining Resources = F(x) Resource Wars

KaffirLilyRiddle: F(x)population x F(x)consumption = END:CIV
Human Farming: Story of Your Enslavement (13:10)
Unified Quest is the Army Chief of Staff's future study plan designed to examine issues critical to current and future force development... - as the world population grows, increased global competition for affordable finite resources, notably energy and rare earth materials, could fuel regional conflict. - water is the new oil. scarcity will confront regions at an accelerated pace in this decade.
US Army: Population vs. Resource Scarcity Study Plan
Human Farming Management: Fake Left v. Right (02:09)
ARMY STRATEGY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT: Office of Dep. Asst. of the Army Environment, Safety and Occupational Health: Richard Murphy, Asst for Sustainability, 24 October 2006
2006: US Army Strategy for Environment
CIA & Pentagon: Overpopulation & Resource Wars [01] [02]
Peak NNR: Scarcity: Humanity’s Last Chapter: A Comprehensive Analysis of Nonrenewable Natural Resource (NNR) Scarcity’s Consequences, by Chris Clugston
Peak Non-Renewable Resources = END:CIV Scarcity Future
Race 2 Save Planet :: END:CIV Resist of Die (01:42) [Full]
FAIR USE NOTICE: The White Refugee blog contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to provide information for research and educational purposes, and advance understanding for the Canadian Immigration & Refugee Board's (IRB) ‘White Refugee’ ruling. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. Copyright owners who object to the fair use of their copyright news reports, may submit their objections to White Refugee Blog at: []